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  1. MattKing

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    Why is T-Max so expensive in Canada?

    Eastman Kodak is a publicly traded US company based in Rochester NY. Kodak Alaris happens to be based in Rochester NY as well, despite being UK owned, but of course, as a worldwide marketing and distribution entity, its resources and workforce are much more widely spread - certainly more...
  2. MattKing

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    Why is T-Max so expensive in Canada?

    ...publicly traded, but otherwise not for sale. Sino Promise bought the Kodak branded photo-chemical and colour photographic business from Kodak Alaris. Kodak Alaris had owned and operated the the Kodak branded photo-chemical and colour photographic business since their owners - the Kodak...
  3. Alan Edward Klein

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    Why is T-Max so expensive in Canada?

    ...for some of the higher prices. (The quote about Alaris being American is theirs.) Business - Sino Promise Group http://www.sinopromise.com.cn › ... Established in Hong Kong in 1993, the Sino Promise Group is the largest agent of the US company, Kodak Alaris, in the Greater China region.
  4. Alan Edward Klein

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    Why is T-Max so expensive in Canada?

    Matt said "Eastman Kodak no longer has anything approaching the resources necessary to support a worldwide distribution and marketing effort for still films or the business that has now been bought by Sino Promise." Maybe I'm misunderstanding what he meant. Matt, can you clarify the...
  5. Alan Edward Klein

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    Why is T-Max so expensive in Canada?

    What is a confectioning facility?
  6. brbo

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    Why is T-Max so expensive in Canada?

    ?! What is Kodak Alaris' dependence on China?
  7. Alan Edward Klein

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    Why is T-Max so expensive in Canada?

    The thing that should scare Alaris is that their only supplier is now Chinese. While Eastman Kodak, an American company, was bound to secure and effective American bankruptcy laws and US courts to enforce them, Alaris now has to depend on Chinese commercial law to protect them by keeping the...
  8. Don_ih

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    Why is T-Max so expensive in Canada?

    I am basing my conclusion on the fact that film is increasingly more expensive and its competition is, by comparison, free. Adox is not Kodak's competitor. All those film companies enable each other by providing more variation and choice for consumers. The real competition is digital. Almost no...
  9. Alan Edward Klein

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    Why is T-Max so expensive in Canada?

    Thanks for the update, Matt. The problem as I see it is everyone tries to maximize their profits. That's the way the world works of course without breaking the whole product. So Sino Promise, formerly Eastman Kodak, who now makes the film for Alaris, will keep their prices as high as...
  10. brbo

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    Why is T-Max so expensive in Canada?

    ...that is a big "if"). Adox is selling a nice (but worse in every technical parameter) colour negative film at almost twice the price of Kodak Alaris' consumer film. Orwo's (limited run!) offering is even more expensive. You are basing your conclusions too much on the comparatively expensive...
  11. MattKing

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    Why is T-Max so expensive in Canada?

    At the time of the bankruptcy, Kodak Alaris took over the infrastructure and all related costs inherent in being the primary distributor in a worldwide marketing entity. Most of the employees and land and buildings and costs that had been the responsibility of Eastman Kodak (and its...
  12. Alan Edward Klein

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    Why is T-Max so expensive in Canada?

    Thanks for that info. Of course, I don't know all the arrangements different manufacturers make. Does Kodak Alaris also use distributors? My only point is that there seems to be an additional level of markups from Kodak to Alaris which might account for higher prices than other film...
  13. Alan Edward Klein

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    Why is T-Max so expensive in Canada?

    What I haven't figured out is how Kodak in America, who manufactures Kodak film for Kodak Alaris in GB, prices their product sold to Alaris? What stops Kodak America from raising prices to Alaris to whatever they want? Also, keep in mind that Alaris itself is like a wholesaler. They don't...
  14. MattKing

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    Kodak relative company

    I should have said Eastman Kodak doesn't sell Kodak still film to anyone other than Kodak Alaris - like this: Eastman Kodak will be happy to make you some film of your own - they happily do toll coating, as long as it doesn't exactly duplicate the Kodak branded stuff. I expect that the weird...
  15. MattKing

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    Kodak yellow HC-110 in round bottle - 2022 - Sino Promise, Made in China

    ...from Tetenal, to an unidentified US manufacturer, to this new product. And for clarity, while Sino Promise was making some product for Kodak Alaris, they weren't making anything for Eastman Kodak. And now they are making it for sale by themselves, as they are "Kodak" for colour paper and...
  16. markjwyatt

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    Kodak yellow HC-110 in round bottle - 2022 - Sino Promise, Made in China

    I might join that in the future (If Sino Promise comes through long term), but would not for the intermediate HC110 that I would be forced to spend $40+ on and will not last long enough for me to use all of it or likely even 1/2 of it. If they offered a much smaller package, I might have...

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    Kodak yellow HC-110 in round bottle - 2022 - Sino Promise, Made in China

    I agree. As long as their products work well, I'm glad to be helped by people who know about chemicals deeply and long ago.
  18. brbo

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    Kodak relative company

    I don't think Fuji, Lomography... get Eastman Kodak film through Kodak Alaris. Or do they?!
  19. MattKing

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    Kodak yellow HC-110 in round bottle - 2022 - Sino Promise, Made in China

    I remain loyal, at least partially due to the knowledge that so many of Sino Promise's employees in that part of their business are former Kodak and Kodak Alaris employees.

  20. A
    Kodak relative company

    So, all the Kodak film is made by Eastman Kodak?
  21. MattKing

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    Kodak relative company

    ...Kodak manufactures the Kodak films - both still and motion picture. Eastman Kodak markets and distributes the Kodak motion picture film. Kodak Alaris is responsible for all the marketing and distribution worldwide of Kodak still films, which are manufactured for it by Eastman Kodak. Eastman...

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    Kodak relative company

    Eastman Kodak makes all Kodak film, movie and still. Kodak Alaris markets and distributes the still films, while Eastman Kodak markets and distributes movie film.

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    Kodak relative company

    Now, there are three company use Kodak as label. 1. Eastman Kodak 2. Kodak Alaris 3. Sino Promise Eastman Kodak made the motion picture film. Kodak Alaris made the Kodak film and Kodak professional film. Sino Promise made the paper and chemicals. Am I right?
  24. mooseontheloose

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    The Ultimate Airport Scanner/Hand-check List for Travellers with Film

    ...scanners will be operational at 145 airports in the US. CT scanning technology has been used for checked luggage for many years, and Kodak Alaris and Eastman Kodak have warned photographers not to check their film, but rather to carry it on and request it be hand-checked by TSA agents at...
  25. MattKing

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    MF hardware price outlook

    I think you mean Kodak Alaris. Yes, that entity is owned by the Kodak Limited pension fund, and as its sole shareholder the return on investment from that ownership interest is used to support that fund. Kodak Limited being the UK subsidiary of Eastman Kodak - its largest subsidiary. But the...
  26. markjwyatt

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    New (2019 version) HC-110 developer not the same?

    Yes, It looks lighter in color than the German made version, and does not explicitly list "sulfur dioxide" in the content as the old German made version does. @MattKing believes that they have some process involved that produces sulfur dioxide, and that the Sino version is more similar to the...
  27. markjwyatt

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    Kodak yellow HC-110 in round bottle - 2022 - Sino Promise, Made in China

    {Moderator's Note: copied from the other thread} Yes, It looks lighter in color than the German made version, and does not explicitly list "sulfur dioxide" in the content as the old German made version does. @MattKing believes that they have some process involved that produces sulfur dioxide...
  28. MattKing

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    Kodak yellow HC-110 in round bottle - 2022 - Sino Promise, Made in China

    ...of a sulfur dioxide adduct to the organic. The Made in Germany version that markjwyatt shows - the old, old version - was made for Kodak/Kodak Alaris in Germany (most likely by Tetenal). After Tetenal got into serious financial difficulties, Kodak Alaris attempted to move a lot of its black...
  29. MattKing

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    New (2019 version) HC-110 developer not the same?

    Kodak Alaris hasn't had that business since they sold it to Sino Promise Holdings in July 2020. And that sale completed at almost the same time as the manufacturing world was thrown into disarray by Covid 19. Even when Kodak Alaris was selling US produced HC-110 - the stuff with uncertain...
  30. RalphLambrecht

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    Is there really a strong interest in film photography?

    to me, film is only available by mailorder;not a single store carries it!; some strong interest
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