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  1. Alan Edward Klein

    Kodak price increase

    Are Canadians more apt to buy British film than American due to your relationship with the King. As an American who always bought American Kodak, thought they were the only film makers in the world, well except for Fuji Velvia 50, a color film, people have preferences due to other things beside...
  2. MattKing

    Kodak price increase

    ...al. There isn't much profit there for the distributors who do business in Canada, so wholesale volumes are low, and prices are high. If Kodak Alaris used a single, exclusive Canadian distributor for black and white film, instead of the same distributor for colour and black and white, there...
  3. Agulliver

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    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    Kodak-Alaris is certainly fully aware that demand for amateur C41 colour film has increased beyond their hopes/dreams since 2017. The price increase last year was to invest in being able to increase production so that supply could be stabilised. As explained to me by Andy Church of K-A during a...
  4. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    ...long time ago. The film market was just starting to die and the Olympics wasn't going to save it. Now that it's come back to life might be a good time to restart. Also, it has to be coordinated with Kodak Alaris since Kodak sells the film to them. Alaris should take the lead, not Eastman...
  5. MattKing

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    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    ...Motion Picture film, Eastman Kodak is a manufacturer only - they have contracted out all their still film marketing and distribution to Kodak Alaris. And Kodak Alaris are the ones who would most likely do something with any information in this thread, because they are the ones who monitor and...
  6. Adrian Bacon

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    Current reliability of Xtol

    Most likely. At this point, it's all good and with the exception of a handful of outliers, it looks like the old stuff has mostly been flushed through the pipeline and it's all the newer good stuff. Once I finish burning through my DD supply, I'll circle back around and look at re-introducing...
  7. MattKing

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    Current reliability of Xtol

    ...be fun to try to peal the outer label off and see what is underneath. It would not surprise me if it was the same label, except with Kodak Alaris' details on it instead of Sino Promise. I expect that as a result of the sale to Sino Promise, Kodak Alaris sent over their inventory of not yet...
  8. Adrian Bacon

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    Current reliability of Xtol

    I can verify that the new bags are back to the smaller mylar type packaging similar to what it was before all the kerfuffle went down. When I get back into the shop I'll take a photo of it as I stock it for clients to purchase, but haven't yet switched back to using it in my own lab operations...
  9. MattKing

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    Current reliability of Xtol

    Yes, the labelling now says Sino Promise (not Kodak Alaris) on current packages. In fact, even the bags themselves may be a different size - there has been a lot of packaging changes. The product illustration photos on B&H's website are often out of date. It may be the same for Adorama.
  10. aparat

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    It's just words, words, words: Describing and interpreting film performance.

    Thank you for that information! You are a walking encyclopedia of all things film photography. I always learn something new from your posts.
  11. MattKing

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    It's just words, words, words: Describing and interpreting film performance.

    That was Kodak Alaris's short term response to the bankruptcy of Tetenal, who were most likely the manufacturer of the previous product. It is most likely fairly old now - is there a best before date on the bottle? Kodak Alaris sold the photochemistry business to its largest Chinese based...
  12. aparat

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    It's just words, words, words: Describing and interpreting film performance.

    Matt, The old one was in a rectangular bottle. I dumped it because it was looking nasty, and there was about a third left in the bottle. The new one, I just bought from B&H. Here's the label:
  13. MattKing

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    It's just words, words, words: Describing and interpreting film performance.

    How current is your current HC-110? Is it the 2019 version with Kodak Alaris' name on it, or the more recent version with Sino Promise' name on it? If 2019, does it say made in USA, or made in Germany? And if it says Sino Promise, does it say made in Germany, or made in China? Until things...
  14. MattKing

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    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    ...division is, outside of their motion picture business, only equipped to manufacture for large volume commercial customers - primarily Kodak Alaris. And Sino Promise continues to be one of the largest distributors buying film through Kodak Alaris - they have a direct relationship with...

  15. A
    New Cinestill 400D film announced

    Yes Matt, I agree with your statement re revised EK- KA agreement. I mean the cine films (color negative) still don't offer the same look of the Kodak still films. It'll be hard to get me shooting anything other Kodak, Ilford, Fuji and to a lesser extent Foma still camera films. I still shoot...
  16. MattKing

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    New Cinestill 400D film announced

    ...layer that must be removed with an ECN-2 Prebath before use with C-41 chemicals.) This is Respooled KODAK VISION3 Color Negative Film 500T. Kodak and Vision are trademarks of Eastman Kodak Company." Emphasis added by me. I think it reflects the new, revised Eastman Kodak-Kodak Alaris...
  17. MattKing

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    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    It is Eastman Kodak who is hiring, not Kodak Alaris. And in order to sell what those extra employees are going to produce, Eastman Kodak needs Kodak Alaris and the others in the distribution chain to do what they do.
  18. MattKing

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    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    I misunderstood your earlier post Don. I thought you had mistaken that site as being the only one that Kodak Alaris has. I've actually never seen the header page that links to the two separate business webpages - the joys of using search engines on the internet and relying on shared links...
  19. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    Well despite the generally higher prices, Kodak is hiring 300 more employees because their market is growing. So they must be doing something right.
  20. MattKing

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    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    ...target market. Eastman Kodak has a much larger and far more diverse market. It contracts out its core marketing and distribution to Kodak Alaris, who also have to generate profit. Due to the much larger and diverse market that Kodak films are sold into, there is another level of specialized...
  21. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    So Kodak film gets marked up by Eastman Kodak, Kodak Alaris, and then the third-tier distributors before the final markup by the retailers. Ilford has one less markup which could account for some of their lower prices. The other issue is if Eastman Kodak keeps its markups relatively higher...

  22. A
    New Cinestill 400D film announced

    It appears that since Vision3 is cinematic film, it is outside the Alaris contract.
  23. MattKing

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    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    That is the other, non-film based part of the business that the UK pension plan bought from the Eastman Kodak bankruptcy trustee. It is run mostly separately, and is apparently growing. Their Film business is at this website: https://imaging.kodakalaris.com/photographers/film
  24. MattKing

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    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    Kodak Alaris sell to local distributors. Those distributors are the ones that tend to specialize in supplying particular market segments - drugstores, grocery stores, big box stores, tourism businesses and yes, some who specialize in the photography markets. The distributors often have different...
  25. Don_ih

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    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    Kodak could have had a website that sold their film and sold it nowhere else and would've stayed in business. Almost all their film is bought online. And they gave up trying to promote the stuff decades ago. But the fact is, Kodak - Eastman - Alaris whatever is not mainly a film company. Look...
  26. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    Does Kodak Alaris distribute directly to the retailers or is there another layer of distribution companies between the two?
  27. MattKing

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    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    ...the "wink" emoticon. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "years", but as far as chemistry is concerned, they were producing for Kodak Alaris up until the sale of the business, and there are at least some signs of newly manufactured product appearing. I never understood the China...

  28. A
    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    Ease up a little. I have no idea if the Wuxi plant is running, or mothballed. Kodak spent billions in China in the 90's, last I heard the Xray film lines there were shuttered decades ago. I don't think as far as paper and chemistry goes that anything has run in years.
  29. MattKing

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    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    The bankruptcy provisions are long past. The trustee sold the business. As part of the terms of the sale, the parties entered into and worked under a mutually beneficial contract for 8 - 9 years, the contract was put in peril by the problems that occurred due to Covid, and the contract was...

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    Kodak Price Increase and Hiring Spree 2023: What Do You Want Kodak to Focus on Moving Forward?

    Look what happened when Alaris spun off the paper and chemistry, kaboom no more paper and chemistry. I have no idea how distribution, sales, etc works. I am able to get Kodak film at a reasonable price, I don't see how putting EK in charge of everything would improve this. I suspect that Matt...
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