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  1. brbo

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    Obviously you don’t know what Eastman Kodak and what Alaris is.
  2. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    So there's a third markup not two as I assumed (not including the final retailer). Does that cause higher prices than other films? How many markups do other films have?
  3. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    OK. Thnaks for the clarification of their distribution arrangements. But would we know if Alaris was distributing film other than Kodak?
  4. brbo

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    ...is zero evidence to support this. Revenue from the deal with Alaris has indeed risen by about 20m from 2020 to 2022. If we assume that Kodak Alaris buys 20m rolls per year, Eastman Kodak improved their average price by about $1 per roll from 2020 to 2022. In 2020/12 I paid 9,62 EUR for a...
  5. MattKing

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    ...marketing, so they are the ones who can gage the demand and they are the ones marketing to increase the demand. For still film, they and Kodak Alaris only sell into a distribution system. So they require third parties to both gage the demand, and support its growth. They can, and do support...
  6. MattKing

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    Kodak Alaris doesn't sell to retailers, or end users. They sell to local distributors only. So if you are a retailer in, eg. Portugal, you buy Kodak film from a distributor trading into the market in Portugal. Kodak Alaris and that distributor handle all of the details getting product into that...
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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    Yeah, good question. I can't imagine trying to process the stuff Flic Film spools without a dedicated ECN-2 setup. I'm a dedicated Kodak Alaris (distributed) customer. Alaris earns their money. The remainder of Eastman Kodak's global distribution network and then some.
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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    I freely admit to a lack of familiarity with corporate law in the UK where Alaris is headquartered. In the U.S., I stand by my observation. All the things you list are, here, nothing but PR window dressing. The corporate entity has a fiduciary responsibility to maximizing its shareholders'...
  9. cmacd123

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    I am reminded of the LAST time that Much Motion Picture stock was diverted to the still market, BUT the business cases were different them In the 1970s, Much TV production was filmed on Motion Picture film, think Star Trek, Hill street Blues, MASH and so on. that combined with Acuall Movie...
  10. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    If Alaris was distributing other manufacturers' films beside Kodak's, I think we would know about it. After all, they would be distributing to retailers and wouldn't want to keep it secret. Is anyone aware this is happening?
  11. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    Kodak didn't break out their profits from film so how do we know what margins they have?
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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    ...price increases are extravagant. The price increases could be unjustified, partially justified, or fully justified. And was it Eastman Kodak or Kodak Alaris, or both, who increased prices, and, if both, in what proportion? Yes, it is pure speculation or, perhaps more accurately, pure...
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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    Unless you have insider knowledge and are likely violating a nondisclosure agreement, you don't know that. I suspect, but don't know, that Alaris is prohibited from sourcing film anywhere except Eastman Kodak and then marketing it as Kodak film. What's unclear is whether the agreement...
  14. MattKing

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    No - Kodak Alaris was put into serious, near business ending difficulty by the pandemic. The contract in place is a replacement of the one that was put into breach by the near shutdown, world-wide of all the markets.
  15. Anon Ymous

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    Uh, I disagree. Someone's pricing policy gave them this opportunity.
  16. MattKing

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    COVID 19 and how it affected Kodak Alaris and its relationships with both its customers and its suppliers (Eastman Kodak and Sino Promise and others). We are still an immense distance away from the way things were before the pandemic.
  17. brbo

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    If Eastman Kodak have been collecting huge margins from Alaris then they have been lying in their financial reports. Which, I think, is illegal. They've improved their position slightly with increased quantity/price mix, but nowhere near anything as drastic as the price increase that the...
  18. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    Turning the expression, "what they can't make in markup they'll make up in volume" on it's head, Eastman Kodak probably is squeezing the highest prices they can from their sales to Alaris, since Alaris has to buy film from Eastman and nowhere else. How much attention Eastman pays to sales...
  19. MattKing

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    It is hard to say where Eastman Kodak is making more money in total - the volumes to KA are probably still significantly higher that the sales of ECN-2 film not going into movies - but I've no doubt that the ECN-2 re-purposers are adding significantly to the Eastman Kodak bottom line. Who knows...
  20. Don_ih

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    Eastman Kodak selling the motion picture film in 2000 foot rolls to places like Analogue Wonderland, who pay some guy named Mr. Whatever minimum wage to spool that into cassettes and put a sticker on them. That's what makes all those "brands" possible - the fact that anybody can but a 2000 foot...
  21. MattKing

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    Somehow I don't see this - perhaps because Eastman Kodak isn't finishing/confectioning any of the ECN-2 films being re-purposed for still use. And the costs and bottlenecks relating to finishing/confectioning play a huge role in the costs being passed on to Kodak Alaris.
  22. brbo

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    Not really. Kodak probably makes more money per roll of ECN-2 film that is shot in a still camera than from a "regular" C-41 roll it sells to Alaris. It's Alaris that is loosing (making less) money and with Alaris' pricing lately I kinda find it hard to sympathise.
  23. brbo

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    The reason behind high Kodak prices of BW film is really simple. Kodak is limited by its converting line. They can make X millions of rolls per year (either C-41, E-6 or BW). They can sell (through Alaris) every roll they make. They have virtually zero competition in C-41 and E-6 segment so they...
  24. MattKing

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    Kodak 100d vs e100

    That sounds more like suppliers who don't want to supply to small volume users. AFAIK Eastman Kodak is happy to supply motion picture film to anyone. There could, of course, be local restrictions imposed by government authorities in Lithuania that complicate access. Not according to my...
  25. lamerko

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    Kodak 100d vs e100

    I just recently contacted Kodak and they sold me single units of the 5294 and 7294 - no questions asked. They sent me an offer (the prices are officially announced for Europe, but without VAT), free delivery in Europe. Everything went very quickly and smoothly.
  26. henryyjjames

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    Kodak 100d vs e100

    Me after smuggling in 400' rolls Ektachrome into Europe yesterday 😈 Literally, all I will be doing is re-spooling.
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    Kodak 100d vs e100

    The movie film seems to have different kind of filter and antihalation dyes than the still version does. It will produce a dard green color similar to Velvia 50 in prewet water if used. Also, the first dev and reversal bath will both turn to bright pink. This has on effect on chemistry though. I...
  28. MattKing

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    You are never going to see any information about how much Eastman Kodak charges Kodak Alaris. And you are unlikely to see information about how much Kodak Alaris charges local distributors. A retailer might leak their cost to buy from the local distributors. That FINDLab post would only make...
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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    Is that priced by Eastman Kodak and if so priced to whom? To KA? Is it all films and what evidence is there that this represents a readjustment from Kodak Thanks pentaxuser
  30. Prest_400

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    Kodak committed to making film "as long as there's demand"

    ...Particularly ifrom Japan there is a soft, pastel and slightly cyan-green pallette that some photographers work with there. Kodak Alaris related, in the last couple of days FINDLab posted that the consumer (35mm) films are now priced by Kodak at "Less than $10". It reads as a general pricing...
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