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Just to add to my previous post we have had many positive and enjoyable experiences with locals who were total strangers. Just to mention a couple: spent some time at Henry Moore’s studios with one of his sculptors (totally unplanned), five hours photographing and interacting with Portuguese fishermen and their families on a beach as they pulled in their nets with oxen, meeting an artist in Strasbourg Lucky? who stayed with us on a visit for an exhibition in the US while here made a painting for us and many other such experiences.
Just lucky?
 
Arguably the best time to go anywhere in the world is about 120 years ago.

Based upon what?

The likelihood of surviving a long trip there and back was much lower.

Contract a disease or something as simple as a cut could kill you with no antibiotics or medications invented.

You'd be filthy, unwashed, and prone to disease.

Rose coloured glasses indeed
 
You'd be filthy, unwashed, and prone to disease.

Much like a good many people in downtown portions of Seattle, Portland San Franciso, LA, Chicago, New York, et al.

Then there are the equivalent groups in Paris, London ...

Western culture is going backwards.
 
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Based upon what?

Excitement. The thrill of seeing something different. Being clean and safe wasn't that much of concern when it was impossible to be clean and safe all the time. All praise death by misadventure! It's better than being killed in a war.
 
Much like a good many people in downtown portions of Seattle, Portland San Franciso, LA, Chicago, New York, et al.

Then there are the equivalent groups in Paris, London ...

Western culture is going backwards.

And that grumpiness is as far as we will take this on Photrio, before moderators will intervene.
 
And that grumpiness is as far as we will take this on Photrio, before moderators will intervene.

It is always interesting to see where a post will go. This one went from too many people taking photos at famous places around the world, to smelly people a 120 years ago.

You just got to love this eclectic group of people that come and spend a little time at Photrio.

I’m sure the moderators might have a little different take on all of this. It’s like trying to herd cats.
 
I’m sure the moderators might have a little different take on all of this. It’s like trying to herd cats.

And only some of the moderators are cat owners/lovers! 😇
 
Excitement. The thrill of seeing something different. Being clean and safe wasn't that much of concern when it was impossible to be clean and safe all the time. All praise death by misadventure! It's better than being killed in a war.

Wouldn't be able to take much camera gear along then.
 
It is always interesting to see where a post will go. This one went from too many people taking photos at famous places around the world, to smelly people a 120 years ago.

You just got to love this eclectic group of people that come and spend a little time at Photrio.

I’m sure the moderators might have a little different take on all of this. It’s like trying to herd cats.

It needs to address "what is art" and "analog is the only true photography" first.
 
Reading the article is behind a wall, but the short documentary of the same name is available for FREE on Youtube:



Terry S



in this film, Preikestolen, Kjeragbolten, Nordkapp plateau, have become very unnatural places because the huge flow of tourism.
Author writes under her film on Youtube: "a reflective documentary exploring modern tourism and the transformation of serene European landscapes into curated attractions"
Not sure what "curated" means here, but places chosen illustrate very well what is a tourist hole or zoo. Around mn 11:30 buses stopped by a fake Sami set-up. Couple tents, a guy in the pointy hat and a small reindsdyr. It is similar to going to a zoo to see animals.

In COVID time when foreign tourism was banned, I drove several times to inner Sogn fjords just in order to enjoy villages and landscapes as they naturally are, or rather, were, a feeling that disappeared more than twenty years ago.

Several old towns in Europe are impossible. In order to enjoy a walk, take pictures, have to be there a week day out of main holidays. Tallinn, Gdansk, Krakow, Brugge, Gent. Some have become a mix of bad taste and kitsch: most central areas of Berlin and the worst, Kreuzberg. Some are just unpleasant: Montmartre hilltop, place du Tertre.

At some very low populated places, in Norway, in Iceland, there is something else: there is no enough local workforce for the increased tourism business, people working in hotels, restaurants, souvenirs shops are foreigners. For instance at the logistic hub Flåm (Norway) in the bakery you hardly find someone speaking norwegian, also at Fretheim hotel were only management and accounting are norwegians. Or in Reikjavik, along Laugavegur, the hotels and shops. It feels very weird when you address people in norwegian in Norway or icelandic in Island and they answer something in english. At such places they have the assumption that english will do, but in fact it is far from being the case, at least in Norway, Reykjavik is a different beast, half colonized by americans who systemically dismiss people's languages.. In Spain a lot of people working in bars, hotels, restaurants, are south americans, so linguistically identical despite not spaniards. Excepted at dedicated british, germans ghettos here and there along the coast. These ghettos are the quintessential anti-tourism: it is about brits, germans, scandinavians, who are there because the sun and cheap beer, but re-create some gregarious tribal home structure, their "Spain" has no spaniards.
 
Going back to the original question, doesn't this Instagram generation have just as much right as a "proper photographer" to visit and shoot these places? And given that probably 95% of photographic output is viewed on a smartphone anyway these days aren't we PPs close to becoming extinct?

It was kind of rammed home to me just this week when my GAS got me to buy a much hyped Sony a6700 which stayed around two days before I sent it back! I quickly realised that the IQ wasn't really any better than one of its 10 year old cousins and the menu system was just endless and mind boggling...it made me conclude that actually upgrading my Pixel 8 to a 10 Pro was probably going to see me out and about making far more photos, of eminently acceptable quality, then a "proper camera". And isn't that what it's all about?
 
doesn't this Instagram generation have just as much right as a "proper photographer" to visit and shoot these places?

They have as much right as everyone else. What bothers me is the attitude. People storming into places, disrespecting everyone else, sticking their hands and phones in front of others, just to capture a selfie.

It’s a goddamn museum, for f*** sakes! The place is about art. It’s about contemplating it. Everyone should get their chance to look from up close to Mona Lisa, Starry Sky or whatever. Mostly everyone there took planes to the city, paid tickets to the museum and should have the right to a pleasant experience.

I was at MoMA once and tried to see some paintings, but gave up in the end, after being ran on by a handful of crazy tourists.

I didn’t even want to take a picture of the painting, much less a selfie. I just wanted to see it.

Judging by the current state of affairs in the US, I don’t see myself setting foot there ever again. So, goodbye MoMA, Guggenheim and all of the great museums the country offers.
 
They have as much right as everyone else. What bothers me is the attitude. People storming into places, disrespecting everyone else, sticking their hands and phones in front of others, just to capture a selfie.
I can't disagree, but they'd probably be exactly the same with a proper camera in their hands sadly. We have an entire generation or two that has become, to a significant extent (I don't tar them all with the same brush), self entitled and self obsessed. They want "content" as if it somehow validates their existence.

I'm afraid the interweb has an awful lot to answer for. Far from being mankind's liberation I strongly suspect it will be part of its eventual downfall....and I don't say that lightly.
 
They have as much right as everyone else. What bothers me is the attitude. People storming into places, disrespecting everyone else, sticking their hands and phones in front of others, just to capture a selfie.

It’s a goddamn museum, for f*** sakes! The place is about art. It’s about contemplating it. Everyone should get their chance to look from up close to Mona Lisa, Starry Sky or whatever. Mostly everyone there took planes to the city, paid tickets to the museum and should have the right to a pleasant experience.

I was at MoMA once and tried to see some paintings, but gave up in the end, after being ran on by a handful of crazy tourists.

I didn’t even want to take a picture of the painting, much less a selfie. I just wanted to see it.

Judging by the current state of affairs in the US, I don’t see myself setting foot there ever again. So, goodbye MoMA, Guggenheim and all of the great museums the country offers.

I have news for you, I've seen this behavior all over Europe as well. The lack of civility and respect seems to be a broad international thing.
 
I have news for you, I've seen this behavior all over Europe as well. The lack of civility and respect seems to be a broad international thing.

Oh no question that's the case.

I think the challenge for us as photographers is to find the locations they haven't clocked or can't be bothered with and work with those. I mean if you want photos of globally famous landmarks, get em off the interweb...they'll likely be better than yours anyway! 🤣
 
Oh no question that's the case.

I think the challenge for us as photographers is to find the locations they haven't clocked or can't be bothered with and work with those. I mean if you want photos of globally famous landmarks, get em off the interweb...they'll likely be better than yours anyway! 🤣

I think there is a certain amount of wishful remembering going on in this thread (not directed at you, directed at all of us :wink:

When film cameras were the only game in town, tourists flocked to take snapshots everywhere they went on holidays, often getting the way of other people trying to enjoy the location. Rinse repeat for DLSRs, digital point and shoot, and then cell phones.

So I don't think the advent of convenient digisnappers is the root cause. In my view, what's different is that several generations of people - who've increasingly learned to socialize by remote control and less through actual human contact - have never developed the awareness of social cues needed for public behavior. They are literally oblivious to people around them. We're just "in another tab".

I don't blame the internet in and of itself for this. I blame really lazy parenting. The children in my family all were/are taught proper manners and politeness and are very quickly made aware of their failures to do so in realtime...

I stopped going to see movies in a theater because of this. The Unwashed Masses (tm) treat the theater like their own living room and make noise, listen to their phones, and talk to an obnoxious extent.
 
I'm going to disagree with a couple of points you made...

Firstly, when we were humping our film cameras around back in the day we tended to take a shot or two and that was it, all over. We didn't have video and there was no internet on which to deport ourselves...and I'm not sure any amount of good parenting can erase the effects of things like that on young folk. I mean I would describe my adult kids as polite and well rounded - my girls especially (ones a police officer and one a senior social worker in her 30s) still seems to think the world needs to see their every waking move 🫪

And when I tell em the old film joke about how back in the 70s and 80s we used to take photos of our dinner, pop them to the pharmacy for developing, then walk up and down the street knocking on doors to show the neighbours, they just don't get the joke 😬
 
And when I tell em the old film joke about how back in the 70s and 80s we used to take photos of our dinner, pop them to the pharmacy for developing, then walk up and down the street knocking on doors to show the neighbours, they just don't get the joke 😬

That's pretty funny :wink:
 
I'm going to disagree with a couple of points you made...

Firstly, when we were humping our film cameras around back in the day we tended to take a shot or two and that was it, all over. We didn't have video and there was no internet on which to deport ourselves...and I'm not sure any amount of good parenting can erase the effects of things like that on young folk. I mean I would describe my adult kids as polite and well rounded - my girls especially (ones a police officer and one a senior social worker in her 30s) still seems to think the world needs to see their every waking move 🫪

And when I tell em the old film joke about how back in the 70s and 80s we used to take photos of our dinner, pop them to the pharmacy for developing, then walk up and down the street knocking on doors to show the neighbours, they just don't get the joke 😬

Likewise the one about Cinderella sending off her film from the Ball to be processed, and then wondering, “When will my Prints arrive?”.
 
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