Cyanotype on a frosted glass

[jsmoove]

Hey y'all
Has anyone ever attempted cyanotype on a frosted glass before? Without gelatin.
I had found one mention about it here: https://www.flickr.com/groups/95427799@N00/discuss/72157594401217322/
But nothing else on the net.
I'm curious to know if the cyanotype would stick to the frosted glass on its own or not. Thoughts?

 

[awty]

No, but maybe if you etched the glass with grinding paste first it might stick.
Some baking paper can hold emulsions and then you can back the paper with fake gold or silver leaf.

 

[jsmoove]

Thanks for the response,
Do you think there are certain pre-etched glasses that could work to hold the cyanotype on its own...?
Or do you mean that even with etched glass that there would still need to be gelatin

 

[awty]

Im not sure. Ive only seen people use gelatin.
You could try grinding paste as they use to make a ground glass to etch the glass first and see if that works. Auto shops sell valve grinding paste which does the same thing, or anyone who does stone polishing will sell grit which is mixed with water to polish stones.
Always fun experimenting.

 

[koraks]

I'm curious to know if the cyanotype would stick to the frosted glass on its own or not.

Probably not. It really needs a substrate it can sink into. The texture of etched or ground glass is likely still too coarse to really trap the particles in there. You might get to a point where you can coat the stuff onto the glass and getting it to dry there, but problems will occur as soon as you try to wash it after exposure. It'll just float away.

 

[nmp]

Hey y'all
Has anyone ever attempted cyanotype on a frosted glass before? Without gelatin.
I had found one mention about it here: https://www.flickr.com/groups/95427799@N00/discuss/72157594401217322/
But nothing else on the net.
I'm curious to know if the cyanotype would stick to the frosted glass on its own or not. Thoughts?

I don't see the "one mention" that you speak of on that link. Can you please point out the specific example of putting cyano on a bare glass without pre-treating it with some other material.

:Niranjan.

 

[koraks]

I don't see the "one mention" that you speak of on that link

It's literally just that: one person mentions it as a hypothetical possibility.

 

[nmp]

It's literally just that: one person mentions it as a hypothetical possibility.

I thought he meant someone actually did it. The problem with cyanotype is that even on paper, if it does not sufficiently go below the paper plane, it would float off as well. It needs some sort of anchor to stick around, which I am thinking is most likely related to the peptization phenomenon. Frosted glass simply would not have that the required depth.

In any case, the question can be answered fairly easily by the OP himself.

:Niranjan.

 

[jsmoove]

@koraks + @nmp Thanks for the explanation.
Yes just a hypothetical possibility. Was curious if anyone had tried.
I figured as much...
I'm basically wondering
what the fastest (I mean instantaneous, under 1min) way of putting a non-silver emulsion on glass is

 

[jsmoove]

I had originally thought cyanotype mixed with some sort of glass super glue, or an optical adhesive like Canada balsam, but I didn't see anything on the forum about this

 

[koraks]

what the fastest (I mean instantaneous, under 1min) way of putting a non-silver emulsion on glass is

Some kind of varnish that is somewhat permeable by water, I'd say. I couldn't suggest a specific product though.

 

[jsmoove]

Hmmm, ok food for thought for now...will do some research and see what I can find

 

[jsmoove]

Would somewhat permeable/semi permeable be similar to "water soluble" in art terms?
Because I'm seeing the thread on gesso with cyanotype (can't link it for some reason)
And it made me think of water soluble wax paints, which are water soluble and can be put on glass and dry very fast....
Maybe the right track?
I'd like to be able to make a cyanotype-Rex mixed with some other quick drying material ahead of time, so then I can lather it on the glass, then expose like poof! Dunk in water, done
Since frosted glass is out of the question, of course

 

[koraks]

You'll have to experiment!
I think if I were to do this I'd sub the glass with something like gum Arabic, harden it and the proceed with the cyanotype.

 

[BJ68]

Variant 2 in https://illumina-chemie.de/viewtopic.php?p=72786#p72786

Used DAS as hardener for the gelatin.....

bj68

 

[removed account4]

I follow Ron Mowrey's instructions of an 8% gelatin solution...

 

[jsmoove]

Definitely will have to experiment. Would like to find a way of pre-mixing the cyanotype with whatever fast drying adhesive though. @BJ68 Thankyou for the link

 

[jsmoove]

I was looking at water slide decals, and apparently they use dextrose:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Waterslide.JPG
So I'm wondering if I can mix cyanotype with dextrose or something. Will try.

 

[jsmoove]

Regarding varnish I found: https://shop.kremerpigments.com/elements/resources/products/files/98500e.pdf
But this is flammable.