Zeiss Contarex Bulleye stuck on 1/30th

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Knjy

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I have a Contarex 'Bullseye' that has jammed on 1/30th after working perfectly.

Look away now if you are squeamish. The wind over started to stick and so I doused a little Ronsonol into the gaps to free it up. This worked fine for about an hour when the mechanism stuck on 1/30th. It was quite sudden although the speed change got notchy four or five changes prior to the lock up. All other functions are fine - winds on OK, shutter fires ok - self timer triggers the shutter.

I have recently overhauled 4 Contax ll and lla so feel as if I might be OK to look inside this beast, the problem is that I cannot find the way into the top plate. If you know how to do this then please share it with me, if you have a link to a manual or site that explains this then that would also be great. I realise that this camera is a step beyond in complexity but just want to see if It can be can freed up. It is a 1966 and one of the last of the Bulleyes.
All help much appreciated
Kevin
 
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Thanks for your reply. I had a look over that site, scared mostly now. I have found a Tech who will look at it, no parts are available so if it needs parts it's a paperweight. A very magnificent paperweight.
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I have been told that the only way to really learn about the Contarex is to buy several cameras for parts. Start on the first and learn as much as you can until it is broken up enough you can't continue. Based on what you learned from that one start on the second. This goes on until you figure you know enough to actually fix your own.

I have never had the guts to do that with a Contarex but that is pretty close to how I learned to fix my Pentax SV.
 
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Wow that is a long process. Almost as long as the very long waiting list from Henry S. Either way I may get to be so decrepit in the meantime that carrying a Contarex will be beyond me. I am sending it off top a guy who says "no problem" unless it needs parts.
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Good luck. I hope it works out for you.

Henry has done all my Contarex work, even with his long waits. I have no problem having others work on my Contax cameras, I'll even do some simple things with them, but I have not worked up the guts to open up a Contarex yet.

I will say this much though, when you have one that works right they are simply wonderful. A little on the heavy side but for me that disappears when I am in the zone and shooting. They may be a nightmare to repair but they are a dream to shoot with.
 
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Well it is on it's way back to me from the Ukraine. Serviced and all functions working, even the meter is as accurate as a selenium unit could be. I'm looking forward to using it and will post some results up. I opened up the f2 Blitz Planar to have a look and to replace the grease fearing that Henry S's words may come to haunt me and the threads will seize up. In fact it was all nice and tidy, the anodising just starting to loose colour but the grease was in good shape. I cleaned it out and replaced it with a modern teflon based lubricant used in scientific equipment. It is beautifully smooth with a moment of resistance as the aperture adjusting mechanism is engaged. These lenses are superbly constructed, the finish inside is perfect.

The back on this camera had suffered a serious knock and had caved in and distorted. I panel-beat it back to a decent fit but was unconfident it would be light tight. I found a replacement on ebay from Germany so this camera should be good to use. It has an unusual history, my wife found it languishing in an Antique shop in Delmas, Eastern Transvaal, South Africa on a recent trip to see friends. Delmas is a small town way out in the bundu and the likelihood of finding such a camera in such a town in an Antique shop is pretty slim odds. She bought it as it had Zeiss on the front and for the equivalent of $50 thought it worth the effort to carry it back. I am very glad she did! The caved in back, loose focusing screen and other minor ailments went unnoticed but she was able to ascertain that the lens turned, the self timer worked and the shutter speeds all fired, good work on her part.
 
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General service information - Zeiss Contarex

The Contarex was unjammed by a tech in the Ukraine, had a damaged back replaced with a NOS item and I serviced the lens myself.

The Contarex is a handful and has proven to dislike the cold weather. The shutter hung for anything from a split second to a few seconds prior to finishing the exposure cycle, this does not occur if the lens is removed so I guessed that Henry Sheerers commentary was accurate and some aperture linkage problem prevented the exposure from finishing as it should.
I opened the wind-on as far as I could without the specialist tools needed. I was able to apply some Ronsonol sparingly to the exposed gearing and loosen up the wind on, applied fresh lubricant to the lever mechanism - it runs on surface metal to metal - no bearings or shims.

As I could not solve the riddle of top-removal I turned my attention to the aperture control ring. The lens aperture ring runs freely and so that was not the issue. I also tested the sequence without the lens attached and found the shutter did not hang. I then depressed the button (on the camera itself) that is moved when a lens is attached to it's mount and it caused the shutter to hang - so the shutter sequence hangs when the lens button on the camera bayonet mount is depressed mimicking the situation of the lens attached to the camera since the mounting of the lens depresses this button. This is the button that lies at the 11.00 o'clock position on the camera lens mount - it can be seen in the picture, pointed at by the meter iris lever. I discovered that this button introduces an idler gear into the system.

I removed the lens bayonet mount from the body. This exposes 3 shims that adjust the film plane distance, these simply fall way, you can see one in the picture - the chromed shim bottom left quarter.

The lens coupling ring is underneath the bayonet mount - it is the black ring that has the aperture coupling tab at the exact 9.00 o'clock position on the inside of the ring (see picture). This ring is held by 2 screws at 10 o'clock and 5 o'clock. remove these and the coupling ring lifts out. You will be able to see the following:
1. At 5 o'clock - The spring charged gear wheel that powers the aperture ring return
2. At 7 o'clock - two connected idler gears that set the aperture stop - these need to be turned until they stop when re-fitting the black aperture control ring
3. At 9 o'clock - The idler gear that is engaged by depressing the button on the lens mount, this is moved into engagement by the button when the lens is attached (button at 11 o'clock - see comment above)
4. At 10 o'clock - further gears linked to the meter iris and the thumbwheel that sets the aperture

All of these have to spin as freely as possible to ensure the shutter cycle is not impeded and therefore does not hang. I doused them with Rosonol on the end of a Q tip and spun them and moved them about as much as possible. I also thoroughly flushed the black aperture ring in Ronsonol and left to dry there are no springs in this just 2 rings running on bail bearings. As far as I can deduce, there are no spoilable parts in this area of the camera and so any wayward Ronsonol will likely migrate slightly and evaporate without concern.

To test I simply refitted the black aperture coupling ring without the screws and cycled the shutter while depressing the button at 11 o'clock. Success! A good clean has freed the system and the shutter fires consistently. The aperture control system also works with less effort and feels smoother and more responsive. No lubrication was applied. It passed a short shed test at ambient 10 degrees C and now sits on the shelf for a week or two to see if it settles down.

To re-fit the parts care has to be taken to set the various gears into position.
The gear in point 1 above - turn until the spring is just beginning to tense, re-fit the aperture control ring by dropping it in from above so that it sits just tensioned by the gear - no slack at all. The ring has to be jiggled very slightly to re-engage with all the other gears
The gears in point 2. above - wind them until they stop, too difficult to explain in words which direction - they either will be correct or not. To test this I re-fitted the black aperture ring with out screws mounted the bayonet with just two opposing screws and tried it - first time unlucky second time OK. If not wind them in the reverse direction until they stop and try again.
Set the aperture to the minimum on your lens - in my case F16

This camera was designed at the same time as the Nikon F and when looking at the various solutions each brand arrived at it is easy to see why the Contarex acquired a reputation for unreliability. Nikon chose the simplest aperture control system that works and returns the lens to full aperture viewing. Zeiss chose the most complex of linkages that shackled them to a limiting aperture system and a less accurate result. A flawed system, beautifully executed

The F2.0 Planar lives up to it's reputation as the finest lens of it's time, the Contarex has an immensely satisfying shutter sound as if a great deal is happening - which is the case - and if the house was burning down I would save my Nikon F2.


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Very interesting Knjy. Good update. Sounds as if you were a touch more effective than the Ukrainian tech. Let us know how things are working in a couple weeks.

Both of my Bullseyes are working well. The meter works very well on one and not so well on the other. Although we have only had a relatively short cold spell here so far this winter it hasn't seemed to bother either Contarex.

While I do agree that the Nikon F was a simpler, and more robust, design, I still prefer my Contarex. Good luck.
 

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Tomosy covered the Contarex Cyclops in one of his repair books. It may be worth consulting for details of top cover removal. He had a refreshing perspective on repairing them, his opinion was that they were designed with the repair technician in mind. I'd consider repairing an example that presented itself to me at the right price, those lenses are good enough reason to take one on, and it would look good sitting next to all the Contaflexes. But I'd really prefer a Special, and they are both harder to find, and considerably more expensive, if you do.
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Tomosy covered the Contarex Cyclops in one of his repair books. It may be worth consulting for details of top cover removal. He had a refreshing perspective on repairing them, his opinion was that they were designed with the repair technician in mind. I'd consider repairing an example that presented itself to me at the right price, those lenses are good enough reason to take one on, and it would look good sitting next to all the Contaflexes. But I'd really prefer a Special, and they are both harder to find, and considerably more expensive, if you do.
Regards,
Brett

I've had both. The Special looks a little more modern but I prefer how the Cyclops shoots. They both use the same lenses so in my opinion they are potentially great cameras. :smile:
 

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Ed White shot with a Special during his Gemini EVA, so in itself, that is a good enough reason for me to want one instead of a Cyclops (as worthy as they also are).
Cheers
Brett
 
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