Your opinion on the results of this film.

Bikerider · Apr 29, 2020

mohmad khatab said:
- Ukraine or Russia, there is no ban of any kind on them, what do you say?
The price is in dollars, not in pounds or euros.

The ban is on in UK and the EU so I assumed the USA as well Ukraine is fine, no problem with them. With the current rate of exchange between the £, $ and the Euro there is not a great deal of difference now but it still works out more pricey dollar to the pound

Agulliver · Apr 29, 2020

I like it. Not too saturated, the colours look fairly close to neutral and natural. I would consider using this film.

mohmad khatab · Apr 29, 2020

Bikerider said:
The ban is on in UK and the EU so I assumed the USA as well Ukraine is fine, no problem with them. With the current rate of exchange between the £, $ and the Euro there is not a great deal of difference now but it still works out more pricey dollar to the pound

The film will be available in Egypt soon.
The Ukrainian company sends the goods through the cheap traditional government postal service.
I don't think traditional mail will be blocked.
Generally :
I have written the phone number of the sales representative manager, whom you can contact to ask questions.

Agulliver said:
I like it. Not too saturated, the colours look fairly close to neutral and natural. I would consider using this film.

Yes - you can review the post and obtain the commercial representative's phone number directly without the need to send an email and wait several days in order to get a response.

dE fENDER · Apr 29, 2020

Lachlan Young said:
That's strongly suggestive that it's repackaged Kodak Aerocolor maskless neg film. The real speed is going to probably be a stop slower than the EAFS and shadow colour reproduction will be poorer than any masked neg film.

Yes, it is repackage Kodak film, and they have a list of available films on their site (kodak film names in English): http://www.astrum-ltd.com/ru/aerofotoplenka.html
They also have cinema and photo material list (http://www.astrum-ltd.com/ru/kino-foto-materialy.html) which contains some old color film (Svema LN-9, DS-5m, CPN-2 and positive CP-8P) left from svema brand, but I doubt that they still have them in store available.

Lachlan Young · Apr 29, 2020

dE fENDER said:
Yes, it is repackage Kodak film, and they have a list of available films on their site (kodak film names in English): http://www.astrum-ltd.com/ru/aerofotoplenka.html
They also have cinema and photo material list (http://www.astrum-ltd.com/ru/kino-foto-materialy.html) which contains some old color film (Svema LN-9, DS-5m, CPN-2 and positive CP-8P) left from svema brand, but I doubt that they still have them in store available.

I'd found that & it confirmed my suspicions. It's also going to be at least 6 years old stock, quite apart from the odd shadow colour casts from the lack of the colour correction mask.

Raghu Kuvempunagar · Apr 29, 2020

If this film has no orange mask and the base is clear, it can be a good candidate for mad C41 reversal experiments.

mohmad khatab · Apr 29, 2020

dE fENDER said:
Yes, it is repackage Kodak film, and they have a list of available films on their site (kodak film names in English): http://www.astrum-ltd.com/ru/aerofotoplenka.html
They also have cinema and photo material list (http://www.astrum-ltd.com/ru/kino-foto-materialy.html) which contains some old color film (Svema LN-9, DS-5m, CPN-2 and positive CP-8P) left from svema brand, but I doubt that they still have them in store available.

And what have you reached?
The information you have accessed is outdated and has no value.
We said at the beginning of the article that we are only discussing technical matters, and we are not concerned at all with the identity of this film or the reality of its form or source,
We are in front of a movie available in my hands now, and this is the bottom line ,, I don't care if it was produced by the accursed Satan Factory or the Angel Factory, this does not matter,
We are discussing specific technical matters. Are these colors really true? Is this movie worth $ 6?
- I do not want to enter into a debate about the reality of the film, its identity, its source, who invented it and who wrapped it, this will not help anything.

Lachlan Young said:
I'd found that & it confirmed my suspicions. It's also going to be at least 6 years old stock, quite apart from the odd shadow colour casts from the lack of the colour correction mask.

I do not know ..
What are those doubts?
This is not Kodak Vision - does not contain a remjet layer.
What is your technical opinion on the photos shown in the post?
This is a logical question.
I do not care to know what the name of the factory manager is.
Get inside the topic directly and see the full half of the cup.

Raghu Kuvempunagar said:
If this film has no orange mask and the base is clear, it can be a good candidate for mad C41 reversal experiments.

Let me borrow a famous saying from the late great (Ron Mawry), when he said: Your proposal is, (This is a good starting point) for testing.

pentaxuser · Apr 29, 2020

mohmad, the film looks good to me as I and most others here have said. Photrio as you will have seen does concern itself with other aspects which may be of no concern to you and it may continue to discuss these matters on this thread as is its way i all threads but if it is the right film for you in terms of price and supply then go for it and I hope that everything goes well.

pentaxuser

mohmad khatab · Apr 29, 2020

pentaxuser said:
mohmad, the film looks good to me as I and most others here have said. Photrio as you will have seen does concern itself with other aspects which may be of no concern to you and it may continue to discuss these matters on this thread as is its way i all threads but if it is the right film for you in terms of price and supply then go for it and I hope that everything goes well.

pentaxuser

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You are a very respectful and kind-hearted man, and your words always encourage and give hope and optimism.
God bless you
Greetings to you from the bottom of my heart.

Lachlan Young · Apr 29, 2020

mohmad khatab said:
What is your technical opinion on the photos shown in the post?

There is what looks like a shadow colour reproduction problem potentially consistent with the lack of the correction mask on repurposed aerial film. In the contrast situations found in aerial photography, the lack of the mask is apparently not an issue. It is also well known that consumers of amateur films are less critical of colour accuracy as long as the density seems about right and the colours are sort of as they remember them. Any masked film will run rings around an unmasked film when used for non-aerial imaging.

mohmad khatab · Apr 29, 2020

Lachlan Young said:
There is what looks like a shadow colour reproduction problem potentially consistent with the lack of the correction mask on repurposed aerial film. In the contrast situations found in aerial photography, the lack of the mask is apparently not an issue. It is also well known that consumers of amateur films are less critical of colour accuracy as long as the density seems about right and the colours are sort of as they remember them. Any masked film will run rings around an unmasked film when used for non-aerial imaging.

Your technical opinion deserves respect and appreciation.

mohmad khatab · Apr 29, 2020

What is the developer formula (AN-6)
How can I get the formula of this developer?
Is this formula available with a colleague?
- If the teacher (Ron Maory) was still alive, I would have asked him. But it is in paradise to look at us and monitor our conditions.

MattKing · Apr 29, 2020

This 12 year old information might give you some hints: https://www.flickr.com/groups/40371705@N00/discuss/72157606491185987/

mohmad khatab · Apr 29, 2020

MattKing said:
This 12 year old information might give you some hints: https://www.flickr.com/groups/40371705@N00/discuss/72157606491185987/

I did not find any formula or any valuable information.
All popup links are dead.

God bless you
Greetings to you from the bottom of my heart.

Raghu Kuvempunagar · Apr 29, 2020

Mohmad, you can find some information on AN-6 process here:
http://pdfstream.manualsonline.com/5/5052cfa9-33bc-4c5e-91b8-07160812c959.pdf

It doesn't give the developer formula though.

mohmad khatab · Apr 30, 2020

Raghu Kuvempunagar said:
Mohmad, you can find some information on AN-6 process here:
http://pdfstream.manualsonline.com/5/5052cfa9-33bc-4c5e-91b8-07160812c959.pdf

It doesn't give the developer formula though.

I've read this data sheet before and many more, but I want the recipe and don't know how to do that?

Raghu Kuvempunagar · Apr 30, 2020

mohmad khatab said:
I've read this data sheet before and many more, but I want the recipe and don't know how to do that?

This patent is your best friend:
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/91/f1/73/20456253c09e02/EP1143293A2.pdf

koraks · Apr 30, 2020

Note that the ingredient list in that table is not complete. To get to pH10.4 there needs to be e.g. carbonate added to the mix. Possibly other ingredients are also missing (eg trace amounts of KI).

Raghu Kuvempunagar · Apr 30, 2020

koraks said:
Note that the ingredient list in that table is not complete. To get to pH10.4 there needs to be e.g. carbonate added to the mix. Possibly other ingredients are also missing (eg trace amounts of KI).

The patent does say what other components are in the developer other than the key components listed in the table. It's a good read for the interested.

"The color developing composition can also includes one or more buffering agents to provide or maintain desired alkaline pH. These buffering agents preferably have a pKa of from 9 to 13 and include, but are not limited to carbonates, borates, tetraborates, glycine salts, leucine salts, valine salts, proline salts, triethanolamine, diethanolamine, phosphates, hydroxybenzoates and other buffer known in the art for this purpose. Alkali metal carbonates (such as sodium carbonate, sodium bicarbonate and potassium carbonate) are preferred. Mixtures of buffering agents can be used if desired"

"Various metal ion sequestering agents can also be used in the color developing compositions to minimize the adverse effects of metal ions."

"The color developing composition can also include one or more of a variety of other addenda commonly used in photographic color developing compositions. Such addenda include alkali metal halides (such as potassium chloride, potassium bromide, sodium bromide and sodium iodide), auxiliary co-developing agents (such as phenidone type compounds particularly for black and white developing compositions), antifoggants, development accelerators, wetting agents, fragrances, stain reducing agents, surfactants, defoaming agents, water-soluble polymers (such as sulfonated polystyrene) and water-soluble or water-dispersible color dye forming couplers, as would be readily understood by one skilled in the art [see for example, the Research Disclosure publications noted above]. The amounts of such additives would be well known to a skilled artisan in view of their usual concentrations in working strength compositions."

Wayne · Apr 30, 2020

its OK, but not something I'd jump to buy.

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