Your mental state is key to a successful photography career, says Canon research

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Your mental state is key to a successful photography career, says Canon research​




Won't say anything about the article. Curious to read how people will respond to it.

Would this also apply to those that use Nikon, Hasselblad, Graflex, Graphic, Kodak, Fujifilm, Voightlander, Leica, Mamiya, ... cameras too?
 

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I tried to read the article.
I haven't been around a lot of "career photographers" much in recent years, but as far as I can remember, not once did any of them refer to ever enjoying a "feeling of pure bliss and unadulterated focus".
 

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I tried to read the article.
I haven't been around a lot of "career photographers" much in recent years, but as far as I can remember, not once did any of them refer to ever enjoying a "feeling of pure bliss and unadulterated focus".

Probably more concerned about making money.
 

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People in other professions refer to this “state of flow” as “being in the zone”. It’s a great place to be; the problem is getting there.
 

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Probably more concerned about making money.

That and making clients happy and turning them into repeat customers.
Satisfaction and a sense of accomplishment - yes.
A feeling of making progress - yes.
Bliss? Nah!
 

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That and making clients happy and turning them into repeat customers.
Satisfaction and a sense of accomplishment - yes.
A feeling of making progress - yes.
Bliss? Nah!

Yes. I think people who aren't self employed have a romantic view of those that are.
If you crave artistic control then do it as a hobby.
 

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Being self-employed easily was one of the most risky/stupid endeavor I engaded in. It requires a steady flow of sizeable income to offset benefits and social security payments provided when you're an employee, and I didn't get nowhere near that. I had plenty of time, but ended up abusing it, fell deeper into depressive state.

Self employment requires skill to sell yourself - I'm rather poor at it, coming from low self-esteem. It requires that you step onto a path of burning out, which I did.
A hell I brought onto myself to see what'll happen, what I'll learn. Mental state it is absolutely. A forbidden fruit for those with fragile/depressive state.

Currently I'm employed as a PC technician/tech/sound/light guy, a one-man band at schol, and it's a paradise compared to what I had being self-employed. No stress, no worries about finance - that's taken care off and paradoxically - I have more time/energy to explore and engage with photography. A healthier lifestyle with all the perks Vs no perks and self employment hell on earth.
 

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The problem with research like this, and in particular conclusions formulated along the lines of "it requires being in a state of flow to be a successful photographer", is that it tends to be oxymoronic or tautological. It's not a matter of 'getting yourself in a state of flow' and then success as a photographer will ensue. The reverse is actually probably more likely - that the sense of being successful enforces that feeling of satisfaction that apparently coalesces with this 'state of flow'.

This is apart from other grave conceptual problems, such as:
* Lack of an academically sound definition of the core concept; i.e. what 'flow' constitutes is likely influenced deeply by the different (dare I say, idiosyncratic) conceptions the respondents and the researchers have of the concept.
* Lack of emphasis, especially in the linked article, on confounding variables and otherwise relevant contextual variables.
* Lack of rigidity in demonstrating internal validity; i.e. making a convincing case that the supposed causality in reality holds true as portrayed in the research.

To put some of the above in more understandable language, I think this report fails to convince because a number of other things may be going on. For instance, there may be all sorts of factors that result in the same sense of being in that 'state of flow' (whatever the heck that means exactly) as well as career/business success. Think about having a solid education, good social network support, good social skills etc. that are rewarding in themselves and tend to contribute to professional performance.

If you strip off all the romantic and imprecise formulation, what you end up with in a story like this is a conclusion along the lines of "successful photographers experience job satisfaction". These are constructs (professional success, job satisfaction) that are at least measurable, are reasonably well-understood and conceptually distinct. But the conclusion is also one that adds no value whatsoever on top of what we have already known for many, many years.

My main qualm with an article like this is that ultimately, it doesn't help anyone. That there's such a thing as "flow" is nice, and it does have some academic relevance (I think there's some research in the area of creativity that has tried to give some substance to it). But 'knowing' that successful photographers experience this flow is practically almost meaningless. It's not going to help anyone to strive for that ill-defined sense of 'flow' in order to become a successful photographer.

At best, the reaction this article can then trigger is something like "well whaddayaknow" - and that's that.

Had they presented this as a blog or a column, I might have been less critical.
And I'm also very open to the very real possibility (perhaps even likelihood) that the actual research is pretty insightful - just that it's reported in a very informal manner in which all of its merits are lost.

Disclaimer: I've supervised, coached and assessed between 100 and 200 (honestly I never bothered to count) thesis students and/or their works, varying from bachelor's to PhD level, with a great variety of topics and an emphasis on qualitative research methods. Topics that I have dealt with in this context include for instance job satisfaction, creativity and entrepreneurship, although I consider none of these my specific expertise. This background has certainly heavily biased my response and probably has made me more critical than I ought to be, given the effort put into projects like these.
 
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And I'm also very open to the very real possibility (perhaps even likelihood) that the actual research is pretty insightful - just that it's reported in a very informal manner in which all of its merits are lost.

Very interesting and thorough analysis, koraks. I had the same question regarding how the article relates to the actual research. I tried finding it on the Canon website but couldn't.
 

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Very interesting and thorough analysis, koraks. I had the same question regarding how the article relates to the actual research. I tried finding it on the Canon website but couldn't.

Thank you, Alex. It might be worthwhile to search for recent publications by the lady who conducted the interviews or the psychologist who assisted her in her research. There's a good chance this will turn something up that comes closer to the heart of the matter. To be frank, I have not done this. In that sense, my critique is also a bit of a cheap shot, I have to admit.
 

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Koraks: I agree completely with your rebuttal. I don't have a degree in psych either but 30+ years in academe have made me sensitive to BS being passed off as "research". In my own case (ie, "anecdotal evidence") I've often been in that zone when I'm shooting: the real world falls away and I'm totally focussed on framing up or making exposure calculations and such, esp. when shooting large format. But my take on it is the opposite from the one in the article--I think that I can get into that zone by never having done photography for money. When I'm shooting it's purely for self satisfaction; if I show the result to others and they like it that's great, but not the point of the exercise. Prior to retiring into a teaching job I spent 20-odd years working in theatre and TV, always working to someone else's brief. The net result, after I retired from those trades, is that I rarely go to the theatre and hardly ever watch TV. So, my experience would suggest that the enjoyment gained from practicing a craft you like is often spoiled by the pressures of doing it for profit.
 

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I tried to read the article.
I haven't been around a lot of "career photographers" much in recent years, but as far as I can remember, not once did any of them refer to ever enjoying a "feeling of pure bliss and unadulterated focus".

Only because they have not been to the summer solstice celebration with all the fellow worshippers at Stonehenge I went there myself today and the head druid remarked on my state of flow and serenity. I said that my state of flow could only be bettered if I was able to learn to spot even the slightest vestige of colour crossover in any C41 print and buy Tmax bulk rolls cheaper than cassettes

He replied tersely that the solstice was there to generate a state of bliss and not a state of completely hallucinatory madness that had not been seen since Woodstock 1969 😁

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Uhm...your mental state is key to everything... 😆 I find the article, just like its title, a bit superficial and the connection to a successful career a bit far-fetched. Some things could have actually been written about any creative endeavor with any medium (again, minus the commercial aspect.)

They found that the photographic process can be broken down into four psychological states: flow state, creativity, the eureka moment, storytelling, and emotion...the last two don't really make any sense as such. The state of flow is a concept developed in the 70s by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, a psychologist, and I'm halfway through reading his first book. It is really interesting stuff, but has become just a cool concept to throw around.

Anyway, I have no interest in becoming a successful career photographer, but if I did, this article wouldn't be consultation material 😁
 

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The net result, after I retired from those trades, is that I rarely go to the theatre and hardly ever watch TV. So, my experience would suggest that the enjoyment gained from practicing a craft you like is often spoiled by the pressures of doing it for profit.

Amen. I HATE going to the movies and rarely do it anymore; especially "classic" or silent film...
 

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Being self-employed easily was one of the most risky/stupid endeavor I engaded in. It requires a steady flow of sizeable income to offset benefits and social security payments provided when you're an employee, and I didn't get nowhere near that. I had plenty of time, but ended up abusing it, fell deeper into depressive state.

Self employment requires skill to sell yourself - I'm rather poor at it, coming from low self-esteem. It requires that you step onto a path of burning out, which I did.
A hell I brought onto myself to see what'll happen, what I'll learn. Mental state it is absolutely. A forbidden fruit for those with fragile/depressive state.

Currently I'm employed as a PC technician/tech/sound/light guy, a one-man band at schol, and it's a paradise compared to what I had being self-employed. No stress, no worries about finance - that's taken care off and paradoxically - I have more time/energy to explore and engage with photography. A healthier lifestyle with all the perks Vs no perks and self employment hell on earth.

Plus you have paid benefits.
 

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The problem with research like this, and in particular conclusions formulated along the lines of "it requires being in a state of flow to be a successful photographer", is that it tends to be oxymoronic or tautological. It's not a matter of 'getting yourself in a state of flow' and then success as a photographer will ensue. The reverse is actually probably more likely - that the sense of being successful enforces that feeling of satisfaction that apparently coalesces with this 'state of flow'.

This is apart from other grave conceptual problems, such as:
* Lack of an academically sound definition of the core concept; i.e. what 'flow' constitutes is likely influenced deeply by the different (dare I say, idiosyncratic) conceptions the respondents and the researchers have of the concept.
* Lack of emphasis, especially in the linked article, on confounding variables and otherwise relevant contextual variables.
* Lack of rigidity in demonstrating internal validity; i.e. making a convincing case that the supposed causality in reality holds true as portrayed in the research.

To put some of the above in more understandable language, I think this report fails to convince because a number of other things may be going on. For instance, there may be all sorts of factors that result in the same sense of being in that 'state of flow' (whatever the heck that means exactly) as well as career/business success. Think about having a solid education, good social network support, good social skills etc. that are rewarding in themselves and tend to contribute to professional performance.

If you strip off all the romantic and imprecise formulation, what you end up with in a story like this is a conclusion along the lines of "successful photographers experience job satisfaction". These are constructs (professional success, job satisfaction) that are at least measurable, are reasonably well-understood and conceptually distinct. But the conclusion is also one that adds no value whatsoever on top of what we have already known for many, many years.

My main qualm with an article like this is that ultimately, it doesn't help anyone. That there's such a thing as "flow" is nice, and it does have some academic relevance (I think there's some research in the area of creativity that has tried to give some substance to it). But 'knowing' that successful photographers experience this flow is practically almost meaningless. It's not going to help anyone to strive for that ill-defined sense of 'flow' in order to become a successful photographer.

At best, the reaction this article can then trigger is something like "well whaddayaknow" - and that's that.

Had they presented this as a blog or a column, I might have been less critical.
And I'm also very open to the very real possibility (perhaps even likelihood) that the actual research is pretty insightful - just that it's reported in a very informal manner in which all of its merits are lost.

Disclaimer: I've supervised, coached and assessed between 100 and 200 (honestly I never bothered to count) thesis students and/or their works, varying from bachelor's to PhD level, with a great variety of topics and an emphasis on qualitative research methods. Topics that I have dealt with in this context include for instance job satisfaction, creativity and entrepreneurship, although I consider none of these my specific expertise. This background has certainly heavily biased my response and probably has made me more critical than I ought to be, given the effort put into projects like these.

The author congratulates coincidence with causality.
 

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The state of flow is a concept developed in the 70s by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, a psychologist

Many thanks @Daniela for filling us in on this. I'm not too well at home in the field of psychology, so wasn't familiar with the concept as it appears in this discipline. I do vaguely remember it having been abducted into creativity research, much of which I have always found annoyingly vague from a conceptual viewpoint. I suspect that perhaps also in the field of psychology there has been criticism on concepts of this vagueness, given how this field has developed since the 1980s or so, into a much more (sometimes perhaps overly so) evidence-based and quantitative direction, which favors very crisp conceptualization (sometimes at the cost of construct validity, interestingly).

The author congratulates coincidence with causality.

Yes, (assuming you mean 'confuses'), this is one of the problems that I'm afraid may be present in this analysis. But I don't expect measures taken to protect internal validity (in its meaning of accurately representing causality; not in the meaning of construct validity, in which sense it is also often used) would be discussed in a popular media report on the research. So maybe there's more and better work done that we don't get to see (yet).
 

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But I don't expect measures taken to protect internal validity (in its meaning of accurately representing causality; not in the meaning of construct validity, in which sense it is also often used) would be discussed in a popular media report on the research. So maybe there's more and better work done that we don't get to see (yet).

I wouldn't expect much in depth analysis on psychological states in an article in Digital Camera World. The article is just fluff. The writer, however, did meet her daily word quota.
 

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I question how the elements mentioned in the article apply to a commerical/working photographer.

That said, I am more than a little familiar with the concepts of flow, intrinsic rewards, and the eureka moments, having made those a focus of personal exploration starting back in the early 1970s. I had experienced ”flow” but didn’t have a label for it until I read the works of Millay Csikszentmihalyi who coined the term. While out photographing in the field, I wouldn’t say that I experience “flow,” but I certainly would in the darkroom where time (except for processing times) evaporated and I’d come out of session surprised that 6 hours had gone by.

These days I regularly experience flow on demand and use it to guide me to that “Eureka moment.” When I am working out or looking for an image idea, I will usually hit the swimming pool for some laps and with all distractions removed I just swim back and forth while my mind wanders in and around the “problem” I am working on. The solutions usually arrive when I am not actively thinking about them, usually 20-30 minutes into the swim.

Like I mentioned, flow can take place in the darkroom but I also experience it when I am drawing. I just completed a new series of 7 works where each one took about 60 hours to complete, working in 2-3 hour sessions at a time. I’d say that I was in “flow” 80% of the time I was drawing.

If you are interested in the creative and idea generation aspects of this, check out Csikszentmihalyi’s book “Creativity: Flow and the Psychology of Discovery and Invention.”
 

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I wouldn't expect much in depth analysis on psychological states in an article in Digital Camera World. The article is just fluff. The writer, however, did meet her daily word quota.

Some writers will write anything just to get their paycheck.
 
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