You know what's wrong with 35mm?

garryl · Jul 13, 2005

What's wrong is we keep trying to keep up with and/or live up to the big boys standards.We should ignore the LF and MF critics and just "do it our way".
There's lots of things they can't do, that we can. Ever try covering a race with a 4x5 and get more than 1 shot? Ever try handholding a view camera with a 500 or 1000m lens? Ever try buying a motor drive for a Sinar?
Sure, there's lots of things they can do we can't- but we don't need to do them to produce a "work of art".
They point to their 16x20s and say we'll never make anything that good from 35mm. Well for them that's only an 2 to 8x enlargement. I stack our 2 to 8x enlargements up against theirs any day for quality. Let them enlarge at 8 to 16x and I'll bet the tune changes.
35mm users arise. Stop limiting your self to what "they" say. go out an buy yourself some REALLY BIG trays and print to the size your heart desires!Forget about grain and think content instead.Millimeter for millimeter we're sharper anyway.

jjstafford · Jul 13, 2005

One up Garry and shoot half-frame! Then try a Minox! There's a reason people get deep into subminiature cameras. If you have not seen some of the amazing smaller prints done by a Minox maven, you have really missed something special.

Ole · Jul 13, 2005

garryl said:
Ever try handholding a view camera with a 500 or 1000m lens?

See my avatar

OK - it's a 300mm f:4.5...

Bighead · Jul 13, 2005

I think subconsciously, some think that 35mm is the closest thing to digital film can get.. Shooting mentality changes drastically from 35 to MF to LF, in many photographers. I've noticed that I like more of my shots on a roll of 120 than 35. That's just me, of course and there is a good reason for it.. When I am shooting 35mm, I shoot more in bulk. But sometimes that's the only way you can get a shot.

I think grain is fine, depending on your subject.. I've seen 135 Delta 3200 blown up to 11X14 and loved it.

garryl · Jul 13, 2005

jjstafford said:
One up Garry and shoot half-frame! Then try a Minox! There's a reason people get deep into subminiature cameras. If you have not seen some of the amazing smaller prints done by a Minox maven, you have really missed something special.

Please JJ- one battle at a time.

and yes I would like a URL to some good "sub-miniature photography".

modafoto · Jul 13, 2005

Hear hear!

I shoot almost all my shots with 35 mm (the rest is MF with a Holga). I like grain and find the flexibility of 35 mm suiting my way of working. I like shooting people and 35 mm gives me the ability to shoot a lot of shots before changing film. I could do the same with motorized MF camera but would have to change magazine for every 10th, 12th or 16th shots instead of every 36th! I like my Canon and when I almost never make larger prints than 24x30 I can live the grain.

LF is for the old people who can't keep up the speed of 35 mm and cannot see unless they got the image blown up on their 8x10 GG

Morten

Claire Senft · Jul 13, 2005

Ole, I have faith in you as being the cartnation of the Viking spirit. Get 2 burlap sacks and walk 20 meters behind your house to the fjord and fill them with stones. Work at it. I believe that you are easily man enough to meet the callenge of any Texan. In no time at all with a lot of exercise and good dosing with lutefiske you will have to upgrade your avatar. Ooftah!

Claire Senft · Jul 13, 2005

I am a small minded man given to moderation in many things. I will continue to make my 6.6x enlargements.

roteague · Jul 13, 2005

Nothing wrong with 35mm, I used one exclusively for 20+ years. While my primary camera is now my Toyo 4x5, I also have a Nikon F5 and a Nikon N80. They both have their uses, but I get the most satisfaction from my 4x5.

garryl · Jul 13, 2005

roteague said:
Nothing wrong with 35mm, I used one exclusively for 20+ years. While my primary camera is now my Toyo 4x5, I also have a Nikon F5 and a Nikon N80. They both have their uses, but I get the most satisfaction from my 4x5.

Isn't that like saying--
for a long time you use to watch Goldie Hawn movies for laughs, but now you get the most satisfaction from Rosanne Barr?

Andy K · Jul 13, 2005

garryl said:
What's wrong is we keep trying to keep up with and/or live up to the big boys standards.

Do we? I wasn't aware of it? :confused:

bjorke · Jul 13, 2005

garryl said:
What's wrong is we keep trying to keep up with and/or live up to the big boys

That's why you should never ever use a 35mm camera for unduly-exciting subjects like rocks, bare trees, old boats or delapidated prairie churches.

Really, you ought to know better.

DEATH TO ALL ROCKS.

garryl · Jul 13, 2005

bjorke said:
That's why you should never ever use a 35mm camera for unduly-exciting subjects like rocks, bare trees, old boats or delapidated prairie churches.

Really, you ought to know better.

DEATH TO ALL ROCKS.

Well you know what "they" say- "if it's not Bjorke, don't fix it" :rolleyes:

Claire Senft · Jul 13, 2005

What concern can it possibly to others how I get my rocks on? On film is what I meant.

titrisol · Jul 13, 2005

I don;t see your point.. there is a place for all formats.
I love 35mm for flexibility, and 6x6/6.45 gives me almost the same with higher qualty but less shots.
Have you tried medium format?

But after I saw a couple of landscpaes in 4x5 my lust for LF has increased.... some day

ann · Jul 13, 2005

they are playing with you pablo

titrisol · Jul 13, 2005

i hould have added the [sarcasm] sign

shall we invite Mr Scarpitti to this thread?

Robert Hall · Jul 13, 2005

Dude, a tool is a tool. Use a hammer for a nail, not an adjustable wrench.

Shooting different formats all have pros and cons. Use the right camera for the right subject/effect. (assuming one has many formats from which to choose)

jjstafford · Jul 13, 2005

garryl said:
[...] and yes I would like a URL to some good "sub-miniature photography".

Here's looking at you: http://www.minox.org/mhs_contest/suganuma/The posture to take in minox.jpg

Andy K · Jul 13, 2005

Wow! That camera's so small I can't even see it!

jjstafford · Jul 13, 2005

Robert Hall said:
Dude, a tool is a tool. Use a hammer for a nail, not an adjustable wrench.

I use a black Leica M2 for a hammer. Is that a Bad Thing?

Dave Parker · Jul 13, 2005

Robert Hall said:
Dude, a tool is a tool. Use a hammer for a nail, not an adjustable wrench.

Shooting different formats all have pros and cons. Use the right camera for the right subject/effect. (assuming one has many formats from which to choose)

Hey be nice now, I have drove quite a few nails with adjustable wrenches! LOL

All formats have there place and I have shot quite a few of them, up to and including 20" x 24"...

Shoot what you shoot and have fun!

Dave

titrisol · Jul 13, 2005

Maybe you need another subminiature to see the first one ;D

Andy K said:
Wow! That camera's so small I can't even see it!

Nick Zentena · Jul 13, 2005

The problem with 35mm is it's too heavy. The 450mm lens I'm dreaming about is 290grams. I'd be afraid to even think how heavy a 35mm 450mm lens would be. 300grams? More? I'd tip over with one of those monsters on the front of the camera. Then they go and put the film in metal cans. What's up with that? Isn't the whole setup heavy enough already??? Maybe it's to balance out the weight of the lens. Is that how you keep from tipping over? I'll stick with LF until they can get the weight issue under control.

Robert Kennedy · Jul 13, 2005

Bingo!

I use 4x5s for certain things, MF for certain things, and 35mm for certain things.

When I travel abroad, I don't take my 4x5. Too much hassle for me. I like to travel light. So the ETRsi and one of the 35s comes with.

You know what's wrong with 35mm?

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