Yashica Mat 124G meter ciruit, design, and adjustment

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I was looking for this information, but did not find it on the web, so I thought I'd post it here for future reference.

Here is the circuit for the CDS meter on the Yashica Mat 124G.

Yashica_Mat_124G_Meter_Circuit_web.JPG


The 2 potentiometers (Pots) are labeled for laterality as seen on the photo below. The CDS is a tandem device with an electrode in the middle - I could not find a modern replacement as most cells are single devices, but fortunately they do not often fail. The Right potentiometer should be adjusted in bright light, and the Lt potentiometer in dim light. Under bright light, the CDS has low resistance and over rides the Left Pot. Under dim light when the CDS has high resistance, the Left Pot can now trim 1/2 of the CDS. The calibration process is to go back and forth between bright and dim light, and adjust the respective Pots until the meter reads correctly in the range of interest.

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The meter circuit and mechanics can be exposed by removing the waist level finder (4 screws) and the back plate on the meter head (2 screws). As you can see, there are a number of mechanical adjustments available as well. The cylinder in the middle is the meter movement, it is on a gimbal such that the ISO changes(top right) and the shutter speed changes couple by the arm on the bottom right, can rotate it. Aperture changes are independently communicated by the arm on the lower left to the yellow follower at the top. Notice that the Shutter and Aperture coupling arms have large notches in them these are for course adjustments, done by widening the notch. The eccentric screw at the bottom right allows you to change the pivot of the shutter coupling arm, effectively shifting the range of the meter.

If the electrical adjustments cannot get your meter into the calibration range, then a mechanical adjustment can be made to the meter mechanism to shift the range, either coarsely by bending the coupling arms, or finely by the eccentric screw.

In this case, you'll notice the Right Pot is at it's max limit, so an adjustment of the eccentric was necessary to bring the meter into range. The current meter is now withe 1/2 stop of my reference, and has been recalibrated to us a 1.55V Silver Oxide battery.

If permissible, I can cross post this in the Repairs & Modification forum. I placed it here because I do not often visit that forum.
 
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Hello,
Hope this message find you well.
Thank you for posting it. This was the only place I could find info how to adjust the light meter.
I have further question. How can we do the "electrical adjustment"? I could do the mechanical adjustment but I couldn't find how to do it electrically.
Thank you again.
Shuichi.
 
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The left and right potentiometers are circled in blue.

yashica_mat_124g_meter_pots.jpg


The arm sweeps on the contact trace to vary the resistance. Be careful adjusting them, they are "trim pots", which are only designed to be adjusted a few hundred times (not thousands, like a volume control), so they wear out quickly.

I have since found a few meters where the CDS cell has degraded such that they are not adjustable to be within range in brighter condition. I was looking to see if I could create a substitute circuit for a single pole cell (as the concentric tandem cells used by Yashica are not available). I've not actually tried installing one yet, as it's pretty easy to just use a hand held meter.
 
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Itsdoable, Thank you for the picture and kind instructions. I could see potentiometers on my 124G although they are little bit different as seen on the pic. I could rotate but it was not easy since they were very close to the wire and printed metal. I am not sure which direction and degree of the rotational angle affects the light meter correctly. It will be back and forth checking with a hand held meter. Yes, you are right. Using hand held is easier task. But I want my internal meter engineerings to give me some info. I will keep you posted.
Thank you again.
Shuichi
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In bright light, adjust the pot on the right until the meter reading is correct (matches your hand held meter). In dimmer light, adjust the Left pot until the reading is correct. then repeat until the meter is withing 1/2 stop of the correct reading in that range. Once you adjust the pot once, you will know which way to go to move the needle in the direction you want to go. Use small adjustments.
 
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Yes I will do it super carefully. Thank you so much. I believe your depth of knowledge will shine a light on the meter adjustment of Yashica Mat for us. I couldn’t find a such depth at any forum. I looked at ascenbling manual but it was too abstract to motivate me adjusting meter.
Let's stay well and safe.
I will keep update the progress.
 

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Itsdoable, Thank you for the picture and kind instructions. I could see potentiometers on my 124G although they are little bit different as seen on the pic. I could rotate but it was not easy since they were very close to the wire and printed metal. I am not sure which direction and degree of the rotational angle affects the light meter correctly. It will be back and forth checking with a hand held meter. Yes, you are right. Using hand held is easier task. But I want my internal meter engineerings to give me some info. I will keep you posted.
Thank you again.
Shuichi View attachment 257931
I have just purchased at 124g and want to adjust mine, I have given it a go but when I changed the iso it goes way out ☹️
 
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Hi, I'm trying to adjust the light meter on a Yashica Mat-124 (non-G version), but the wiring looks completely different. Does anyone here have an idea how I can calibrate this? I have a 1.45V hearing aid battery (Type 675, Zinc Air). Thanks


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The left and right potentiometers are circled in blue.

View attachment 257929

The arm sweeps on the contact trace to vary the resistance. Be careful adjusting them, they are "trim pots", which are only designed to be adjusted a few hundred times (not thousands, like a volume control), so they wear out quickly.

I have since found a few meters where the CDS cell has degraded such that they are not adjustable to be within range in brighter condition. I was looking to see if I could create a substitute circuit for a single pole cell (as the concentric tandem cells used by Yashica are not available). I've not actually tried installing one yet, as it's pretty easy to just use a hand held meter.

Mine looks like this, so adjust Right at outdoor light 125/16 (ASA100) and Left indoors at 8/4 or something like that?
 
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