Peter Schrager said:Jack-no offense to you but this has been hashed out as recently as last week or the week before.
Best, Peter
Peter Schrager said:Jack-no offense to you but this has been hashed out as recently as last week or the week before. Answers:no;no and no So go buy a package and find out why it is one of the best developers around.
Jack Lusted said:Are there still problems with Xtol?
Is Xtol worth the bother?
tbm said:I mixed a full package of Xtol one year ago, in March of 2005, and put the liquid in 150 ml amber glass bottles and sealed them with Saran Wrap before screwing the plastic caps on. Two weeks ago I exposed some film, pulled one of the Xtol bottles out of my darkroom in my garage, and saw that there was no color change. So I developed the roll of film and it was beautiful. I say this only to show you that as long as you seal the top of the bottle with the original Saran Wrap and screw the cap over that, Xtol will last a heck of a long time!
Jim Chinn said:If you go to unblinkingeye.com There is an article by Patrick Gainer (an APUGer) on how to mix your own XTOL.
srs5694 said:There are various other mix-it-yourself PC developers, such as Ryuji Suzuki's DS-10 and Chris Patton's E-76. In other words, there's lots of stuff to play with if you like PC developers and are willing to mix them yourself.
srs5694 said:...but my understanding is that re-creating XTOL too closely can be legally dangerous if you then try to sell photos you developed in your re-created soup.
srs5694 said:First, XTOL doesn't change color or develop an odor when it goes bad. This is a huge part of the problem with the "XTOL sudden death" syndrome -- unlike most developers, you've got no clues that the developer's bad until it's ruined some film.
srs5694 said:IANAL, but my understanding is that re-creating XTOL too closely can be legally dangerous if you then try to sell photos you developed in your re-created soup.
Ryuji said:I have another developer that works perfectly well with APX25, APX100, Pan F Plus and also give good accutance without grain no worse than diluted D-76. The formula for this developer is not public yet. I also have improved DS-10, which isn't publicly available yet.
craigclu said:You're teasing us, Ryuji!
gainer said:Many patents nowadays are so broad as to be unenforcable. They seldom give exact compositions of a marketable product. It's like trying to get a patent on "a developer solution containing one or more organic or inorganic chemical compounds, one or more alkaline substances, and dissolved in a solute that may be water or any organic or inorganic liquid." Anyway, I'm not keeping anything secret unless it's really, really good.
I will henceforth try not to be humorous when I know Ryuji is around.Ryuji said:You should study how patent system works before publicly posting your personal opinion. You'll be embarrased when you learn that I can patent almost anything.
And if you have criticism about photographically relevant patents, please cite the patent by number. There are lots of perfectly valid patents that give you very little details and make broad claims. They are exactly how good patent applications should be written. It takes great skill to write good patent applications and get them approved by the examiner.
Ryuji said:There are lots of perfectly valid patents that give you very little details and make broad claims. They are exactly how good patent applications should be written. It takes great skill to write good patent applications and get them approved by the examiner.
gainer said:I will henceforth try not to be humorous when I know Ryuji is around.
sanking said:In fact, this is a huge problem. There are many "patent trolls" out there who have done no R&D writing vague patents that give little detail and making vague clams." And when they find a company that violates one of their "broad claims" they litigate. And they nearly always win something from the litigation because in most cases it is better to settle a legal issue out of court than to go to trial. In the long run this kind of activity suberts the intent of laws that protect intellectual property rights. But that won't matter to the intellectual whores who do this kind of work and subvert the intent of the law, now will it?
Sandy
That's your problem, not mine. Perhaps you should study humor. All reductions to the absurd should be taken as humor unless proven otherwise. If the previous statement is absurd, then you should laugh at it. You really should come visit me sometime. You might learn that I am quite different from your apparent concept of me and mine. I would hope that I would find the same about you.Ryuji said:Your complaints about the patent system (or particular patents) didn't sound humorous at all.
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