XTOL is now XDEV etc.

[AnselMortensen]

Blue ISO Limited is probably angling to sell or license the XTol name to either Eastman Kodak or PSI as we speak.

Or they will just use the name for their domestic market

 

[MattKing]

Or they will just use the name for their domestic market

Do they have one? Are they even making or marketing anything other than trade names?

 

[bedrof]

Do they have one? Are they even making or marketing anything other than trade names?

A friend of mine working in China bought a bottle of HC-like developer made somewhere there, dunno whether by Sino or some ether legal entity.

 

[DREW WILEY]

I forgot about that Yosemite debacle, David. Of course, the descendants of the Ahwahnee tribe could have claimed it as their own. Ahwahnee was also a little town further south on Hwy 49, which burned down when I was 13. It was also the name of ward in a tuberculosis sanitarium of the region. The nerve of those concessionaires!

But Kodak made a blunder when they sold off the rights to their own product names. Then, ironically, once such a product gets adulterated or ends up with poor quality control, they somehow get the blame.

 

[reddesert]

I think somebody at Kodak (whichever Kodak has the name rights - Alaris ?) screwed up - their contract / licensing with Sino Promise should have included that if Sino Promise was unable to fulfill the terms or supply the product, the rights to the IP would revert to Kodak. I think that's a pretty normal provision, but I am not a lawyer, much less a contract or IP lawyer. Then, they should also have answered Sino Promise / Blue ISO's objection to Kodak's trademark re-registration, although the fact that they didn't answer the objection suggests Kodak knew they were in a pickle.

 

[Donald Qualls]

What I take away from all of this is that my ongoing trend to home-mixed Parodinal and D-23/DK-25R is the right direction. If I buy a jar of hydroquinone I can make my own D-72 for prints, too.

 

[relistan]

Blue ISO Limited is probably angling to sell or license the XTol name to either Eastman Kodak or PSI as we speak.

This is it, for sure.

 

[mshchem]

I have plenty in stock. After that I will probably switch over to Adox. Will need to wait for the dust to clear. My biggest concern is the quality of the ingredients that are used today.

Long gone are the days when Kodak could set specifications for constituent chemicals. Every manufacturer benefited.

 

[mshchem]

When you want the end user to know that XDev is the latest, freshest and not any of the stuff that was concocted by Sino, same thing with Dektol.

 

[loccdor]

Leave it to the lawyers to screw stuff up...

At least they didn't go with 2020s style naming where they use all caps with the vowels removed. Been seeing a lot of beverages named that way lately. Not even sure how I'm supposed to pronounce them.

 

[MattKing]

Leave it to the lawyers to screw stuff up...

Which ones - the Eastman Kodak bankruptcy lawyers, the lawyers in the UK who acted for the Pension authorities and subsequently Kodak Alaris, the lawyers acting for Sino Promise, or the lawyers who employed the clerks tasked with maintaining trademark registration currency for an entity going out of business as the consequence of a pandemic?
As I understand it, everything was reduced to a veritable legal quagmire when Sino Promise went under, and the determination of who had what rights took a very long time and a lot of complex international legal investigations.
Whether or not to use stop bath is a considerably easier question.

 

[Kino]

I still have 2 bags of the Sino Promise Xtol. Collector's items?

 

[images39]

This is another reminder of why I didn't go into marketing.

Dale

 

[mshchem]

I still have 2 bags of the Sino Promise Xtol. Collector's items?

Get some sturdy metal cans and vacuum seal them. Throw in a couple rolls of Harman Phoenix 2, (as well?) Seal em in a time capsule. Do not open until 2075. By then maybe the who owns what will be settled