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I received one of these reflection densitometers not long ago, cleaned it thoroughly and was hoping to make use of it. It came with it's reflection standard and a power supply (and a very corroded ni-cad battery). The unit is thoroughly out of calibration, and as far as I can tell, to calibrate it you adjust little dials in four banks of two each. I did not get any manuals with this, and according to X-rite, support was discontinued in 1992 and no manuals are available (which I think is odd, and annoying).
Is anyone familiar with this model, or perhaps have a manual or any kind of hint? As it is, it's essentially a doorstop for the moment.

Thank you in advance,
Collin
 

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You can probably calibrate it using a stouffer step wedge or an Agfa step wedge which you should be able to find online. I'm not quite sure why it has so many calibration dials, unless it's a color densitometer in which case you will need to find the equivalent color step scale. Try E-Bay or some graphic arts supply houses like Pitman. Once you have the right target you should be able to it yourself with a little trial and error.
 

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I believe your reflection densitometer is a color unit and the 4 banks of calibration likely correspond to WHITE, RED, GREEN, BLUE. I am guessing a little, but similar to a transmission unit, for each bank you have an adjustment for the low end, then the other adjustment is a 'slope' to set the high end.

It sounds like you already have the reflection calibration standards, right? Are they labled with the density? Do you have samples for white/black, red, green and blue. How far off is it now? If it is not too far off, it will likely be fine for personal tests.

As suggested, if you do need to re-calibrate it just for B&W, with some trial and error, you may be able to determine which of the 4 sets of adjusters are for white/black. Then try to see if one sets a baseline and the other sets the slope. See if you can adjust the two so the 'black' standard and the 'white' standard both read correctly.

I have 2 sensitometers and 2 transmission densitometers, but have turned down reflection densitometers on a few occasions. I am always suspect of the results when used with photographic papers because the way the paper's reflective surface effects Dmax. I usually 'eyeball' a contact printed 21-step transmission wedge to evaluate papers. (Maybe someone can chime in here and say they get good results)

Having said that, It ought to be fun to use, and if you get the color calibrated, you can evaluate the effects of toning and quantify subtle differences in emulsion color between paper types in addition to making paper density curves.
 

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I don't know about the 318, I have one sitting at work that I need to bring home, but every other color reflection densitometer has a zero mode, to zero the paper reflectance out, btw, color refelction densitometers are CYMK, not RGB, minor nit.
 

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I don't know about the 318, I have one sitting at work that I need to bring home, but every other color reflection densitometer has a zero mode, to zero the paper reflectance out, btw, color refelction densitometers are CYMK, not RGB, minor nit.

Yes, that is correct. BTW I am getting my info from a Tobias RCX Reflection Densitometer Operating and Service manual that I have (don't have the actual unit, as I pointed out, just the manual). Here is the calibration page if it is of any use.

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318 Denistometer

First, some info on calibrating the 318...

All you need is a calibration reference from ANY reflection densitometer (color) that would have CMY&K patches. You are normalizing the system to known values. So if X-Rite does not support a 16 year old or older instrument anymore, don't blame them. THey cannot get the componenets to fix them. Ever try to find a vacume tube lately? Ask for a calibration reference for a current unit. Don't be surprised to pay some good money for one. Check their web site. For the proper reference, see below about responses.

Each channel has a high and a low. The low value can be set to the white reference, usually about 0.10 to 0.15. THe color patches are used to set the high ends. Once this is done it is a relative measure for that calibration reference.

If you can clean up the battery compartment, the NiCd battery will be useful. If holds the calibration information in memory when you turn the unit off. Otherwise you need to do a full calibration each time.

The densitometer has Red Green and Blue filters for color and a Visual response filter for B&W. The RGB filters are used to measure Cyan, Magenta and Yellow samples, respectively. It is important to understand this because on some densitometers the filters are labeled RGBV and on others they are labeled CMYK. Usually, reflection denisitometers marketd to the printing industry named the filters CMYK. The photo industry used RGBV. They were still RGB and V filters in the units. However, for the nees of the printing industry and photo industry there are differences.

The filters are slightly different in their responses, the amounts of light they absorb or let pass. Somewhere on the densitometer it might state what response (filter set) the unit has. Responses T or G are for the graphic arts industry. Response A is for the photo industry. Response M was only found in transmission densitometers for the photo industry. If the values stated say CMYK, you probably have a unit designed for the graphic arts. You cannot compare data with someone else using a unit designed for the photo industry, but for your own purposes, it should work fine. The biggest difference will be in the Blue filter (Yellow channel). The Blue filter in the graphic arts units had a wider spectral response (saw more light in the blue portion of the spectrum) than the photo unit filters did. This will result in a lower value to the Yellow channel.

I stated the values on the densitometer will be relative. This is due to the unknown condition of the filters. Filters fade and change over time. They can get dirty and depending how the unit was stored, can even get fungus on them. They were probably gelatin on acetate filters. The gelatin is a great medium for growing fungus under the right conditions. If you can open the unit up (make sure you can get it back together), you should be able to check the condition of the filters. If they look cloudy, they have fungus.

Second- RGB vs CMYK, I pretty much covered this under the part on reponses. Modern densitometers no longer use the RGBV filters. They use thirty two of them and actually measure the spectrum. This data is integrated mathematically to give density values for the different responses. The nice thing about this is a densitometer can be both photo (Status A) and graphic arts (now either Status T, E or I) or anything in between. The measured data is just weighted differently for the response chosen on the instrument. The only bad thing for the user, if the manufacturer discontinues the filter wheel, you are out of luck if you need the unit fixed. The filters are special "narrow band interferance filters" that see a very small portion of the spectrum,about 10 nm. They are not cheap and you cannot get them from just anywhere.

Finally, if you are trying to compare visual perception to denity values, be careful. Going from matte to glossy there will be big differences in the measured values. It should correlate to visual impression, but will not track it perfectly. This is due to the design of the optics, still in use today. A matte sample will not be as dense, nor have as many steps as a glossy print/sample. The contrast of the glossy sample (in densitometry terms, this is called slope or gamma) will also be higher. This is caused by the visual effect of the matte paper. It scatters more light, thereby reducing both contrast and effectively reduces maximum density (DMax).

If you need more info, let me know.

Enjoy the unit!:wink:

DA
 

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Just as a note, Tobias did have spare parts and support for my 1979 date of manufacture Tobias TBX transmission densitometer. (BTW, vacuum tubes are readily available (there was a url link here which no longer exists) )
 

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I have an X-rite B318 GS, I think it's the same as yours, and it's a reflection densitometer with a status T response. Status T response is to be use for primarily for 4 color offset printing. For photographic print a densitometer with status A should be used. I think you can use your densitometer for photographic print as I found the reading from the B318 vs the 810 with status A are not that much different.
As for calibration here are the steps.
1. you would need the X-rite reflection standard p/n 302-12 which I believe you have. It has 3 circles. A white, a black and a gray one. The values for these circles should be written on the back of the plate as they are different somewhat from plate to plate.
2. for each of the channel Vis, Cyn, Mag and Yel do the following.
Measure the white circle and adjust the Zero potentiometer to match the value on the plate.
Measure the black circle and adjust the Slope potentiometer to match the value on the plate.
Repeate these 2 steps at least several times because adjusting one would affect the other. It's a real pain compared to modern densitometer with auto calibration.
Repeate the procedure for all 4 channels.
3. measure the gray circle and see if the values you get are closely matched to the values on the plate. They won't be exact.

That's it. I hope it helps. I do have the manual but I could not find it.
 

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Yes, that is correct. BTW I am getting my info from a Tobias RCX Reflection Densitometer Operating and Service manual that I have (don't have the actual unit, as I pointed out, just the manual). Here is the calibration page if it is of any use.

tobias.jpg
Dear Sir,

I have an older RCX Tobais and I would like to obtain the operater and or service manual for it.

I would like to know if you would be interested in parting with yours for a small fee.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Thank you and very best regards!

Joel Hunt
(954) 600-0686
fussyto@yahoo.com
 

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Xrite sells reflection calibration plaques. They are about $40 or so and well worth it.
 

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I received one of these reflection densitometers not long ago, cleaned it thoroughly and was hoping to make use of it. It came with it's reflection standard and a power supply (and a very corroded ni-cad battery). The unit is thoroughly out of calibration, and as far as I can tell, to calibrate it you adjust little dials in four banks of two each. I did not get any manuals with this, and according to X-rite, support was discontinued in 1992 and no manuals are available (which I think is odd, and annoying).
Is anyone familiar with this model, or perhaps have a manual or any kind of hint? As it is, it's essentially a doorstop for the moment.

Thank you in advance,
Collin
Can you help me?
I got a B138 with another Densitometer. There is no power supply, or one avail. Can you take the info off of yours? Input/output voltage, amp and pos/neg in the center?
I have the book by the way!!
 
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