Want to Buy WTB 9x12 camera

Gimenosaiz · Feb 21, 2020

Hi!

Looking for 9x12 camera:
.. Voigtländer Bergheil (Heliar)
.. Voigtländer Avus
.. KW Patent Etui
... ??

I live in Spain.

Thank you!!
Kind regards

awty · Feb 21, 2020

You should probably specify roll film, unless you want to use sheet film.
612 is a great format (twice as good as 6x6), I like a 90mm lens, although thinking of making another Holgaroid with a 120mm lens.
Also Holga mods might be an option, if you want a better lens .https://www.holgamods.com/holgamods/612_Pan.html

Gimenosaiz · Feb 21, 2020

Hi, Paul!

Thank you very much for the reference !!!

But I'm looking for something like this:

belleza desconocida by Antonio Gimeno, on Flickr

Large format camera to use 9x12 sheet film.

I look forward to enjoy your work with the new Holgaroid!

Kind regards
Antonio

removed account4 · Feb 21, 2020

hi antonio
sadly i do not have something for you to buy or wish you could buy
and while not the same sort of folder you have listed and are looking for ... you might consider something like
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/fs-graflex-rb-auto-graflex-3-1-4-x-4-1-4-format.173252/
its around the same film size, but american size. the reason i mention the graflex is that they are able to take
roll film ( some are sold with the roll film adapter ) as well as sheet film ( some are sold with flm holders ) and
they can use a variety of lenses, BARREL lenses, even home made lenses because the shutter is in the body of the camera. they are also
much easier to focus and make portraits with because they are an SLR and you don't have to do the zone focus or focus on ground glass
close it down, hope your subject didnt move dance. i've used the graflex series D ( 4x5 ) camera for portraits for years, its the best !
all this said, one of the problems with this size sheet film ( and 9x12 ) is that sometimes it can be hard to find ( at leat here in the states, maybe different in your neck of the woods ) and the roll film option can be helpful..

have fun!
john

awty · Feb 21, 2020

Hmmm, sheet film, thats not a bad idea, although I would prefer a ground glass view camera, otherwise roll film would be more convenient.......have to think about that one.
Good luck in your quest.

Gimenosaiz · Feb 22, 2020

Hi, John!
Thank you very much.
That Graflex is amazing! I also looked for one of those but they are nearly imposible to find in nice conditions like that one!! I have got a Pacemaker Speed Graphic and three "barrel" lenses.
Of course it is not a reflex camera ... It'd be nice but I can deal with it ;-)
9x12 film is not difficult to purchase in EU:
https://www.fotoimpex.com/shop/system/?func=listingmain&rub1=Films&rub2=Sheet films&cache=1582363122

... although I don't discard the roll film option

I have used the camera I showed in my second comment:

papá by Antonio Gimeno, on Flickr

violeta by Antonio Gimeno, on Flickr

winterreise by Antonio Gimeno, on Flickr

So, why am I looking for another one?? I'm curious of the models I've listed before.
Again, thank you very much for your advice!

Regards
Antonio

Gimenosaiz · Feb 22, 2020

Hi, Paul!!
Yes, I also prefer GG view cameras but 9x12 sheets are nearly as "big" as 4x5 and the cameras are much more smaller I can carry the 9x12 camera and a medium format one in a just single medium bag.
Anyway ... hehehe, I'm still interested in the MF 6x12 camera, you know

Regards

awty · Feb 22, 2020

Gimenosaiz said:
Hi, Paul!!
Yes, I also prefer GG view cameras but 9x12 sheets are nearly as "big" as 4x5 and the cameras are much more smaller I can carry the 9x12 camera and a medium format one in a just single medium bag.
Anyway ... hehehe, I'm still interested in the MF 6x12 camera, you know

Regards

Sorry must of had a bout of dyslexia and got my 6's and 9's mixed up....ooops.
I have a few boxes of 9 x 12 film and bought some 4x5 plate holders with inserts for film and just tape the sheet film onto the inserts and then put them into the film holder and use a 4x5 camera, if that makes sense. Helps that its ilford ortho plus.
A 9x12 camera and holder would be a lot easier. 9x12 would be a good fit for a Polaroid land camera Hmmm....
Sorry for my confusion.

Ian Grant · Feb 22, 2020

Patent Etui with 135mm f4.5 Tessar far right, Pacemaker Crown Graphic far left , ZI 520 bottom. A huge size & weight difference in cameras but very similr film sizes 9x12 is just a bit narrower than 5x4.

My 9x12 Patent Etui alongside a 9x12 Rodenstock (made by Welta. I'd like to use the Patent Etui but my wife insists it stays on display in our apartment in Turkey. Possible a downside to the Patent Etu's is their low weight/mass makes them harder to use hand held, weight greatly aids stability. I do shoot hand held with a Super Graphic and have used the Rodentock a bit.

Ian

Gimenosaiz · Feb 22, 2020

awty said:
Sorry must of had a bout of dyslexia and got my 6's and 9's mixed up....ooops.
I have a few boxes of 9 x 12 film and bought some 4x5 plate holders with inserts for film and just tape the sheet film onto the inserts and then put them into the film holder and use a 4x5 camera, if that makes sense. Helps that its ilford ortho plus.
A 9x12 camera and holder would be a lot easier. 9x12 would be a good fit for a Polaroid land camera Hmmm....
Sorry for my confusion.

Hi!!
Hahaha ... it's ok!!!
Polaroid land camera ???? Another project ??

Regards

Gimenosaiz · Feb 22, 2020

Ian Grant said:
Patent Etui with 135mm f4.5 Tessar far right, Pacemaker Crown Graphic far left , ZI 520 bottom. A huge size & weight difference in cameras but very similr film sizes 9x12 is just a bit narrower than 5x4.

My 9x12 Patent Etui alongside a 9x12 Rodenstock (made by Welta. I'd like to use the Patent Etui but my wife insists it stays on display in our apartment in Turkey. Possible a downside to the Patent Etu's is their low weight/mass makes them harder to use hand held, weight greatly aids stability. I do shoot hand held with a Super Graphic and have used the Rodentock a bit.

Ian

Hello, Ian!
Gorgeus family It's seems that you also love bellows gear !!
I think my 9x12 was also made by Welta. I love it. I've used it handheld but i prefer to use a light (and cheap) carbon tripod.
Thanks for sharing!
Regards
Antonio

Ian Grant · Feb 22, 2020

Antonio, I have a Postcard sized Compact Graflex (reflex) camera and intend to use it with modern 9x12 film holders as that's the closest I'm going to get with current films. Just need to restore the shutter and replace the mirror.

9x12 is a nice format, one I should use more

awty said:
Sorry must of had a bout of dyslexia and got my 6's and 9's mixed up....ooops.
I have a few boxes of 9 x 12 film and bought some 4x5 plate holders with inserts for film and just tape the sheet film onto the inserts and then put them into the film holder and use a 4x5 camera, if that makes sense. Helps that its ilford ortho plus.
A 9x12 camera and holder would be a lot easier. 9x12 would be a good fit for a Polaroid land camera Hmmm....
Sorry for my confusion.

Modern 9x12 DDS film holders are quite easy to find, and same outside dimensions as 5x4, I have a few now the last pair were £7 but no dark-slides but I have spares anyway.

Ian

awty · Feb 22, 2020

Ian Grant said:
Modern 9x12 DDS film holders are quite easy to find, and same outside dimensions as 5x4, I have a few now the last pair were £7 but no dark-slides but I have spares anyway.

Ian

Damn that was going to be my next question. If the film holder was 4" wide it would slide straight into the land camera. At 108 mm a little butchering, but at the normal 4x5 width a lot of butchering.

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