Want to Buy WTB: 616 Film Paper Backing
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Film for Classics lists 616 as an available product see: https://filmforclassics.com/products/
I'd contact them, as their dealers don't list it on their websites, but Film for Classics can probably point you in the right direction. Buy a few fresh rolls, and you'll have the backing for respooling.
I'd contact them, as their dealers don't list it on their websites, but Film for Classics can probably point you in the right direction. Buy a few fresh rolls, and you'll have the backing for respooling.
Thank you the link but I wonder why the 116 and 616 are described as only 6 frames when they should be 8 in 6.5x11 cm
Hi Alex, I played a bit with those 70mm films. One roll of Agfa film from between wars, marked as D6 with 6 frames and Kodak #116 with 8 frames of 6.5x11 cm. Haven't seen any #616 roll yet? Maybe #616 is D-6?
I never saw these Agfa back papers, now it makes sense. I have 3 kodaks and both 116 / 616 spools.
Thank you for the light.
Thank you for the light.
The 616 format was originally designed as 6 frames, but was upgraded to 8 before production started. Can't say for sure, but it seems likely 116 was 6 frames originally. Thicker film and backing might have limited the spools to holding six frames until technology improved a bit.
Sorry gkardmw, looks like they are in short supply? I have only 2 backing papers, very old and brittle and a few unexposed #116 Verichromes waiting for the right time.
Only way to get them is to find some with film attached to it or to be super lucky.
Alex & Donald, I just looked at my spindles on both, Kodak and european one, (I was sure it was Agfa but there is some other strange name stamped on metal side of the spindle), are very very similar, with tin metal sides and wooden core. Kodak side is maybe 0.3mm smaller in diameter. I have never seen Kodak all metal 116 spindle with thin metal core like on 127 or 620. Does it exist?
Only way to get them is to find some with film attached to it or to be super lucky.
Alex & Donald, I just looked at my spindles on both, Kodak and european one, (I was sure it was Agfa but there is some other strange name stamped on metal side of the spindle), are very very similar, with tin metal sides and wooden core. Kodak side is maybe 0.3mm smaller in diameter. I have never seen Kodak all metal 116 spindle with thin metal core like on 127 or 620. Does it exist?
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I have a roll somewhere. Most of my photo stuff is packed and waiting for my new DR to get finished. I'll poke around in some boxes to see if I can find it.
I have lots of 120 backing but I don't think that will help you...I've been saving it especially for...actually I have no freeking idea what I'm saving it for. I just thought someday it might come in handy to someone for something..
Thanks for poking around Rick. Wayne - yeah, me too. Why do I save all of it?I was thinking about taping two rolls together lengthwise with overlap and making do with that for the 616 as I have spools. Eventually I will be making some rails to use 120 but I thought it would be nice to use it as intended. I have some 70 mm wide film so I hope to get it to work.
I have one spool like that Agfa, it came with a back paper and a metal spool, the agfa I had to re-glue the wood to the metal again, it was too fiddle.
I have 616 and 116 spools, one Inos II that takes 116 and 616 film and one Super Ikonta 530/15 that takes only 616 film.
My three back papers have tears here and there and I have more than 50 feet of film, I’m sure I will need more back paper over time... two 120 back paper wont work I think, it will increase the thickness at one point and having the rick if light leaks it’s not appealing to me, again on the big site looking for back paper
I'm keeping some of my leftover 120 backing papers to try to make 127 paper when my original backing paper fells apart. Unfortunately nothing similar for #116.
I found that home rolled 116, 120 and 127 are much more prone for all kinds of QC issues, like light leaking from the edges, scratches, dirt and all other "lomography" effect.
I found that home rolled 116, 120 and 127 are much more prone for all kinds of QC issues, like light leaking from the edges, scratches, dirt and all other "lomography" effect.
As far as I'm aware, there were no all-metal spools in sizes larger than 120. Every 116/616, 118, 122 or 124 spool I've seen had a wood dowel with metal ends slipped/pinned on.
I did not follow the whole conversation, just read Donald's above, but I have an all-metal spool stamped "Kodak 616" - I just rechecked!
I wonder how late in the run that was. Even 120 was wood spindle when it came out in 1901, but they were all metal by 1920, and plastic by the 1990s at the latest.
MattKing
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My 616 spools are all metal.
I don't think you could make a 616 spool out of wood - it would have to be really thin wood.
I don't think you could make a 616 spool out of wood - it would have to be really thin wood.
I just measured wooden core 116 spindle and it's 12.3mm thick, centre core of metal 620 is around 7.2mm. Modern plastic 120 core is around 11.4mm.
So how thick is that metal center core of 616?
So how thick is that metal center core of 616?
I lost my one spool,
while reading this thread's details. Duh.!
Well It is somewhere around the house.
while reading this thread's details. Duh.!Well It is somewhere around the house.
MattKing
Moderator
616 spool is slightly less than 5mm. This is a 616 beside a relatively modern 120 spool. I don't have my 116 spools at hand, but the centre part of those spools is wood and of similar thickness to the 120 spool pictured. The end disks of the 116 spools are also larger than the end disks on the 616 spools.
MattKing
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I too only have old and worn 616 backing paper, or 616 backing paper that still has unexposed film attached to it.
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