Would this concern you? (potential F2 shutter issue)

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ETA: After sending photos to Sover and getting his input, I'm going to keep it. Further inspection revealed that the lines were NOT tears.

Bought this a couple days ago off of FredMiranda.com, for $200 shipped. Late model F2A in fairly decent shape, from a buyer with plenty of good feedback. I noticed the small amount of fungus on the shutter, but figured it would get cleaned later this year or early next, when it goes to Sover.

However, now that its in my hands I noticed on the trailing shutter curtain (which wasn't pictured in the thread) there are some minute wrinkles, and what appear to be possible tears? I'm not sure what they are. If I take the lens off and open the back, when I place my eye up to the camera I cannot see any light coming through.

Aside from this trailing curtain thing, the camera is otherwise great operational shape. Speeds sound and look relatively accurate, mirror foam is in tact and good shape, light seals look good, and all other operations are normal.

Has anyone else seen this kind of thing in their shutters?



 
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oh jeeez...yes!
That is making me CRINGE!
It is junk. Send it back for a refund.


seriously, just imagine what else is wrong with it that you cannot see inside the box.
 
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BradS said:
It is junk. Send it back for a refund.
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grrrrrr....

Not what I was looking for, but fully and completely expected to hear.
 

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That is horrible. And messed up that the seller did not present it correctly.

He even mentions "curtains straight with no creases".

Thing is I have bought from that seller before, and never had issues. So maybe he had a couple of F2s, and thought this was the decent one?
 
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Ok. I'll start a dialogue with the seller, and also shoot an email over to Sover and see if he can offer any input.
 
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Ok, well that was fast. Sover doesn't seem to concerned about it, which makes me feel better.

"
Hi Christopher,

The vertical lines are just dirt. There are some minor wrinkles but they have no effect on the life or performance of the shutter.

Regards,

Sover"
 
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Ok, after Sover's reply, and further investigation in different lighting situations, I think he may be right. Just a little dirt or fungus. Still slightly wrinkled though, but not the worst I've seen.

 

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..."just a little" fungus.

is that anything like being "just a little" pregnant?
 
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BradS said:
..."just a little" fungus.

is that anything like being "just a little" pregnant?
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I've never been pregnant, so I wouldn't know. Although I've had plenty of opportunities!
 
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Mark Crabtree said:
And cocked, or uncocked? The seller may honestly not have seen it depending on how it was stored.
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I'm thinking that he probably didn't see it. I took it out from under this fluorescent lighting and put it under an incandescent lamp, and on the window seal in natural light. It looked different in all of the lighting, so if he was only viewing it inside in not great lighting, it would have been easy to miss.
 
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I'm going to keep it.

The wrinkles aren't severe, and the fungus can be cleaned. What I thought were tears may have just been shadows from the lighting in the original photo. And Sover is going to be doing the CLA and refurb on it so if he isn't worried about it too much, there's no reason for me to be either.
 

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makes sense that there is dirt in there. mushrooms like to grow in it.

seriously, how to you get an accumulation of dirt on the shutter?
 

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there is a fungus amounng us!
 
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Huss said:
seriously, how to you get an accumulation of dirt on the shutter?
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Standing in a dusty field and loading film? It did come from the midwest.
 
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BradS said:
there is a fungus amounng us!
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Yeah, it's a pretty sirius problem. I'm pretty sure everything I own has something growing on it. There's no way I could have anything in our environment and living arrangements where something wouldn't grow on something else.
 

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BradS said:
oh jeeez...yes!
That is making me CRINGE!
It is junk. Send it back for a refund.


seriously, just imagine what else is wrong with it that you cannot see inside the box.
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+1. Those curtains do eventually give up, an F2 I saw belonging to a PJ with maybe 50,000 rolls over 20+ years through it, it had one curtain split almost across, but those little splits look more like accident/abuse. Or corrosion.
edit. Those little dark lines I see in your second pic seem to be oriented with the 'quilting" of the curtains. I'd be concerned.
 
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Pffft. I would of wiped it off already and not given it a second thought. Wrinkles! dont they all come with wrinkles?
Its an F2, the only thing you need to do is fix the annoying PING and work out what to wear with it, after all the f2 is a fashion statement.
 

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I bet he spilt some yoghurt while loading film the rest is somewhere else curled up on some rollers or some curtain...
Try some distilled water with a cotton bud & see if it moves off.
 
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ced said:
Try some distilled water with a cotton bud & see if it moves off.
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I will. Sover suggested methylated spirits or pure alcohol.
 

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Vodka should work, or even better, some of that 151 proof rum. That's for you. For the camera, if it were mine, I'd use a Q-tip w/ diluted bleach. If it really is fungus, that should kill it. I've seem much worse shutters in my rangefinder days. Canon metal curtains that were so wrinkled they looked like flattened raisins (but still worked OK). Nearly every Russian camera I ever owned had some sort of shutter problem. Pin holes, capping shutters, you name it.
 
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momus said:
For the camera, if it were mine, I'd use a Q-tip w/ diluted bleach.
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I wouldn't want to use anything containing that much water.

I was thinking about using lighter fluid, since it's commonly used for repairs, and evaporates quickly.
 

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Wonder if Sover can offer the "Pond's Seven Day Miracle" treatment as part of a CLA?
 
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