Would making only one print increase value of photography?
No, it wouldn't. Because it still doesn't offer an answer to potential customers who ask: "Why should I pay you when I can make a photograph myself?"
That, IMHO, is the deep underlying problem with photography as art. The buying public has been convinced that anyone can do it (Kodak spend a huge amount of time and its vast resources on this and has largely been successful) and therefore it has no value.
Interestingly to me, the buying public doesn't feel the same way about painting when in fact they can also drag a paint brush across canvas. I've heard the above question from the buying public a number of times, but I've never heard the similar question about a painting.
As long as the buying public thinks it could produce Adams' "Clearing Winter Storm" one day (presumably by shear random chance?) they'll never buy it from one of us. And no amount of playing tricksy with editions is going to change that.
BTW, the answer to that question is basically: "Because you didn't make the photograph -- I did." How diplomatically you choose to convey this answer is up to you. :rolleyes:
I have done editions .... What it is, is a way for me to limit how much of my time/energy I'll spend on a photograph or project, and it allows me, or forces me to move on. It is the end.
Would making only one print increase value of photography?
No, it wouldn't. Because it still doesn't offer an answer to potential customers who ask: "Why should I pay you when I can make a photograph myself?"
That, IMHO, is the deep underlying problem with photography as art. The buying public has been convinced that anyone can do it (Kodak spend a huge amount of time and its vast resources on this and has largely been successful) and therefore it has no value.
Interestingly to me, the buying public doesn't feel the same way about painting when in fact they can also drag a paint brush across canvas. I've heard the above question from the buying public a number of times, but I've never heard the similar question about a painting.
As long as the buying public thinks it could produce Adams' "Clearing Winter Storm" one day (presumably by shear random chance?) they'll never buy it from one of us. And no amount of playing tricksy with editions is going to change that.
BTW, the answer to that question is basically: "Because you didn't make the photograph -- I did." How diplomatically you choose to convey this answer is up to you. :rolleyes:
In February of 1945, US Marines were invading a small island in the south Pacific called Iwo Jima. On Feb. 23, 1945, a photographer named Joe Rosenthal photographed US Marines raising a US Flag at the top of Mount Suribatchi. This may be the most widely distributed photo in American History, It has been reproduced countless times. What is the value of this image? I would say that the image of those marines is more widely known than even AA's Moonrise. What is the value of recording History? Priceless.
Photography is not painting. In my opinion, this is a strength and not a weakness.
The photo that's used was a second, staged shot.
Even if a member of the general public decided they were going to make their own "Clearing Winter Storm", they would find difficulties significant enough to convince them to put off the effort. In the first place, they would have to be in the right place (easy enough, Highway 41 is highly travelled and there is a parking lot where Ansel made the image), at the right time, and under the right atmospheric conditions. That's not so easy. Ansel lived in the valley and spent a lot of time driving around it looking for the best light and atmosphere.
It can be a matter of being in the right place at the right time. You may have only one chance at the decisive moment. If you've made a photograph of that moment, you are likely the only one who ever will. Were you just lucky? Perhaps. You might also be the kind of person who is aware and living in the present moment... enough to "know" when to put the camera to your eye.
There is only one H.C.B and for a reason.
The photo that's used was a second, staged shot.
There is motion picture footage that exists of the scene that clearly shows the picture was not staged.
There is motion picture footage that exists of the scene that clearly shows the picture was not staged.
The key thing is that the print medium does not have to be generated anew for each copy. To get another etching one does not have to etch again. One merely has to ink up and turn the press one more time.
Photography is a very different thing. To get one more photograph you must photograph again right from the start.
True! I don't have deep knowledge of all printmaking. I merely dabbled in lithography, too demanding, and did some engraving but my passions were hard ground, soft ground, dry point, and aquatint etching techniques. But photography eventually took over and I will never go back to printmaking.You might want to actually know what you talking about before you make statements that show you truly don't understand printing processes.
To get past the negative and achieve a positive image one must photograph that negative. The negative becomes, in an absolutely literal sense, the subject matter for what happens next. With regular photographic emulsion the result of photographing a negative is a positive.Not any different than making additional photographic prints from a negative or transparency - once you have the film processed you can make a nearly unlimited amount of prints.
Yes indeed but with the proviso that exposing a sensitive surface and then conducting it through the develop and fix process is the very essence of photography and the result is indubitably a photograph.For each photographic print you make an exposure onto the paper and run it through the chemical processing. This can be hand processed, drum processed, or roller transport processed.
Yes, your dissertation is a superb evocation of the expressive possibilities of lithography; and its technical challenges. It was too hard for me. Etching comes a lot easier at least at the base level.For a hand-printed fine art lithograph (as an example) after all of the processing required to make a stable printing source which will be either a stone or plate the process for both is the same, although different chemicals are used (etching, cleaning the stone, asphaltum application, rollup in black ink, further processing) After resting the printing source to allow it to stabilize and ensure a good bonding between the gum (arabic or cellulose) and source - you start the printing process.
You clean the black ink out of the stone, reapply ashpaltum, clean the hardended gum off of the source, wet the printing source (stone or plate), and ink the source which can include a single roller or mutiple rollers inking different colors on different areas. The amount of ink applied to each area depends upon how much ink the printer has put onto the roller (controlled by how many passes are made on the inking platen by the printer) and then how much ink is put onto the printing source (controlled by the amount of ink on the roller and how many passes are made on the area to be inked). The entire process is very tactile and requires the printer to be in an intimate relationship with the image and process.
Both lithography and etching offer ways of manually making ink go places beyond where the stone or the plate would naturally confine it. But burning and dodging are deeply different. The dodging wand and the burning card accompany the film negative as the things being photographed in the darkroom on paper backed photographic emulsion.Not unlike dodging and burning areas in making a photographic print.
Yes, that is how it works but I did use the phrase "turn the press one more time.." which is how an etching press goes.To continue, you wet the printing source again, dry it slightly with another sponge, dry it a bit further with a fan, register the printing paper to the printing source, put a blanket over the paper, put the tympan on top, close the press pressure bar onto the tympan, apply grease to the tympan, and run the print through the press. For every print you repeat the process - not quite "turn the press on."
Photography is very different to this. The negative is the subject being photographed in the darkroom and in theory photographic subjects never wear out no matter how many times they are photographed.Each time you run a plate or stone through the press, the printing source degrades very slightly from the printing pressure and friction from the physical printing process, until after a number of prints, the printing source is no longer usable. This is why early prints in a lithographic or etching run are usually more desirable than those towards the end of the run, and why prints are carefully numbered in a print run.
While some photographs are fugitive to light and become altered by continued exposure the usual limits to extended re-photographing of existing photographs (typically negatives) are handling damage, contamination particularly in contact exposure processes, and operator boredom.Unlike fine art press printing, the source (photographic negatives - especially B&W) do not degrade from being printed. Even a color negative hardly degrades, and in tracking the number of prints made from a single color negative - it takes about 10,000 exposures through a negative before it has to be replaced because the dyes have faded. This is from a friend who sold over 40,000 prints of a single transparency image and had the prints made from internegatives - every 10K prints, he had another interneg made.
What Uelsmann, Witkin, Robinson, etc ended up with were photographs. Their subject matter was an assortment of photographic negatives. Those negatives too had their own prior existing subject matter, trees, bodies, faces, etc. Uelsmann, Witkin, and Robinson were in the darkroom making photographs of photographs not photographs of trees, bodies, and faces. Uelsmann, Witkin, and Robinson never exhibited camera-original photographs.You're conflating creating the image with making another print from the master source. If you want to make a NEW photograph (new source) you have to go out and take it - no different than if you want a new lithograph or etching - you have to create a new printing source meaning you have to draw it onto the stone or plate.
Photography IS a print making medium if what you desire is a photographic print, and it may involve the printing process itself to create the final finished image such as images made by Uelsmann, Witkin, Robinson, etc. etc.
It goes with the identity of the photographic medium that every photograph must start with an exposure. To get another photograph it is necessary to expose again each and every time. It is a powerful corollary of this necessity that any surface that generates picture forming marks as a consequence of being penetrated by light is a photograph.I thoroughly dislike your simplistic, definition of one exposure = one photographic print. That goes against the entire history of the medium.
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