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I am researching the purchase of a new work station for photo editing.

I'm thinking about an imac with an i7 processor or a mac pro.

The imac seems like a good choice because of the retina 5k display
The mac pro seems like a good choice because it will be screaming fast and has higher end video cards

So, what trumps what, 5k retina display or screaming fast speeds ?

I use adobe photoshop.

All opinions are welcome !!

Thanks,
Charles
 

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I am researching the purchase of a new work station for photo editing.

I'm thinking about an imac with an i7 processor or a mac pro.

The imac seems like a good choice because of the retina 5k display
The mac pro seems like a good choice because it will be screaming fast and has higher end video cards

So, what trumps what, 5k retina display or screaming fast speeds ?

I use adobe photoshop.

All opinions are welcome !!

Thanks,
Charles
This is very close to what I use now(20"iMac and PhotoshopCC)There isone thing computers will ever be::fast enough.Load it up with RAM and You'll be OK:smile:
 

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I am researching the purchase of a new work station for photo editing.
So, what trumps what, 5k retina display or screaming fast speeds ?

Charles

It depends on when you need it. I have been very upset at how long it is taking for a new 5K standalone monitor to come out. It has to do with the move from Broadwell to Skylake chips. I read somewhere (MacRumors?) that the Skylake chips were getting closer.... That should mean a new Mac Pro in the coming year, one that would have the capacity to drive a 5K monitor.

Intel Skylake Processors: Up to 20% Performance Boost, 41% Faster Graphics and 30% Longer Battery Life - Mac Rumors

I had a conversation with my "Mac Business" guy at the local store. Almost always a better choice to talk to these folks. He started by suggesting I get the iMac 27, he said it would be just as good. But after some conversation, the effects of multiple GPU's, the increased expandability, we decided that in fact, the higher end workstation was going to be the one.

If you have minimal needs, I think either would work very well. However, the Mac Pro, especially next year's Mac Pro is going to be the choice for me..
 
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I'm thinking that I'll follow lenny's lead and see if a new mac pro is coming out.

In the mean time I'm considering upgrading my monitor to this:

Eizo ColorEdgeCX271 27" (68 cm) LCD Monitor

and buying it here:

http://www.amazon.com/Eizo-ColorEdg...TF8&qid=1439167246&sr=8-1&keywords=eizo+cx271

Right now I'm using an older mac pro with two quads and 16 gig of ram. The software for the color edge is compatible with my older version of osx.

I'll upgrade to a new mac pro and then consider upgrading to a 5k monitor if I think I'll get better performance, but I doubt it considering how accurate the color edge maintains its color.

I don't really use much of the photoshop tool set. I'm a film photographer that prints silver black and white in my darkroom and has my color work scanned. I shoot both medium format and 8x10 large format.
 
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lenny - I think I need to get in touch with you for drum scanning.
 
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Having never owned anything but Apple I would avoid an iMac for heavy duty use. They still haven't properly addressed the cooling issue with an all-in-one computer. Improved,yes but fixed not yet.

My money? A used Mac Pro w/the Harpertown 2.8 GHz quad core from a reliable reseller. 'Bout $1000-1200. Great displays are available by many makers. And the mac Pro will be upgradeable for a long time.
 

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I used my iMac to create several books and it is used pretty much 24/7 by two users.For my type of work the 27"screen is a joy to use.I never had trchnical issues and love the all-in-one design.being able to look at a full page spread is fundamental to me;looking forward to the 5k screens:smile:;as they say: once you go Mac you'll never go back,but they are not as easy as Steve Jobs wanted us to believe.I guess, in the end it comes down to what you are used to.:smile:
 

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Whichever one you settle on 16 to 32 G RAM should handle you needs. It will depend on the size of the files you will be processing.

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Whichever one you settle on 16 to 32 G RAM should handle you needs. It will depend on the size of the files you will be processing.

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most likeky but put as much RAM into your machine as you can RAM is cheap these days and it helpd to speed up several things:smile:
 
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It depends on when you need it. I have been very upset at how long it is taking for a new 5K standalone monitor to come out. It has to do with the move from Broadwell to Skylake chips. I read somewhere (MacRumors?) that the Skylake chips were getting closer.... That should mean a new Mac Pro in the coming year, one that would have the capacity to drive a 5K monitor.

Intel Skylake Processors: Up to 20% Performance Boost, 41% Faster Graphics and 30% Longer Battery Life - Mac Rumors

I had a conversation with my "Mac Business" guy at the local store. Almost always a better choice to talk to these folks. He started by suggesting I get the iMac 27, he said it would be just as good. But after some conversation, the effects of multiple GPU's, the increased expandability, we decided that in fact, the higher end workstation was going to be the one.

If you have minimal needs, I think either would work very well. However, the Mac Pro, especially next year's Mac Pro is going to be the choice for me..

Lenny,

I was under the impression that the new trash can mac pro and multiple gpus was designed more for video and 3D rendering, and that it wasn't going to be as much of a benefit for working in photoshop. I haven't talked to our apple store business guy since right after the cylinder mac pro came out, and have just been upgrading the 6-core 2010 cheese grater with more ram and SSDs, but the thing I still don't really understand is if the faster/dual gpus will make working with huge files faster (maybe that is where the load of VRAM is beneficial?), or is that still dependent on single threaded processor speed and tons of (fast) RAM.

The question I have for the next few months is how Metal for in El Cap is going to benefit future releases of photoshop and working with huge drum scans (you're the only other person I know here who works similarly to how I work).

When it was time to "upgrade" my home machine earlier this year I bought a 2009 mac pro, and put in more ram, a couple SSDs, and am about to go to the latest apple supported video card in the next few months. If I find that i really "need" the use faster ram, I can upgrade the firmware to use the 2010 model 1333 RAM. Aside from the video card difference, the upgrade that would make it more in line with the 2013 Mac Pro would be putting in a couple PCI SSDs. The real time suck for me is reading and writing 4-8 GB layered working scans.

The only thing I really pay much attention to for Apple updates is listening to Accidental Tech Podcast. From what I understand, the skylake chips won't come to the mac pro, and that it wont be upgraded until there is a new set of Xeon chips, which might be behind schedule. It doesn't sound like the new ones will be much faster in terms of clock speed, but will have faster RAM.

iMac: Personally I would never get an imac. Those still use laptop/consumer components and can't be upgraded. The Mac Pro uses server grade chip sets and much better RAM. The clock speed might be slightly slower, but a Mac Pro would be more stable and less prone to memory errors/kernel panics and will last a lot longer and hold its value longer too.

I know that the stuff I use them for are kind of special case scenarios, but in terms of expandability and long term value there it is hard to beat a 2009-2012 mac pro and incremental upgrades. The point is that there are much more affordable options than the tricked out new hotness if you aren't doing the kind of video and 3D work it is designed for.
 

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Richard,

Its frustrating. I agree with you that I wouldn't buy an iMac because it isn't upgradeable... I am also using a 2010 Mac Pro cheese grater with 24 gigs Ram, SSD's. There are drawbacks, I don't think the bluetooth works that well, at least not with headsets, etc. There are some holes... I read MacRumors mostly, and given Apple's policies, its hard to know what's coming and what isn't. The is so much conjecture. The childish relationship Adobe has with Apple also means that they don't supply reliable info either, the both of them are more likely to blame the other for any speed issue.

I will say that CC is much better than the standalone versions in dealing with large files. The healing tool spots much faster, there is no longer a lag... or as long of one when spotting with a tablet.
 
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