Will the 'Point and Shoot' camera bubble ever pop?

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Like almost all bubbles, at some point they burst.
 

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I just checked Ebay prices for Pentax IQ zooms, prices range from $12.00 to around $50.00 with a few in the $100 to $200 range, those listed as "tested" range from $24 to $50 or so. A Pentax Z 30 with lens from $25 to $65 or so highest I saw was $79.00 Minolta 300 or 3xi from $10 to $50, one listed for $50 came with 3 lens, batteries and filters, and case.
 
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I have an IQ Zoom and have made money with it (magazine illustration). Very reliable, good optics, waterproof... much better than Minolta (which died for good reason). I don't use it now due to batteries. Have printed 11x14s from it...advantage over phone.
 

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I have 4 IQ zooms ranging from 38mm to 80mm to 140mm, also a IQ WR zoom with 38 to 85mm, I bought it a number of years ago without looking up the manual. Although weather resistance, it is not rugged, the manual says to keep the camera on a pillow when transporting by car. Saying that of the 4 PS that did not make 2 were Nikon and 2 were Minolta.
 

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I very much want a high-end P&S. Would be great to have a camera on me all of the time. Thinking of buying a Contax TVS like the one I had and loved before it went bust. It's somewhere in the house but I can't find it to try to get it repaired, which I understand is possible.
 

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I hankered for a Konica Hextar then the Hextar M, never had the money, now 20 years later, I might have invested a lot of for a paper weight. For under $100, Pentax Z30, 50mm pancake lens.
 

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I suspect the bubble, to the extent there is a bubble, will deflate rather than pop.
 

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I hankered for a Konica Hextar then the Hextar M, never had the money, now 20 years later, I might have invested a lot of for a paper weight. For under $100, Pentax Z30, 50mm pancake lens.

My Hexar AF allowed me to accomplish a half dozen rewarding photos before I realized it was NFG in low light with modestly fast film.
 

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Spot on!! Ditto my two Nikon F65s. I have 28mm 2.8 D lenses on each one and an ancient but rock-sharp 28-80 zoom in my backpack. I take them trekking or on local and regional rambles with me, and shoot 'saleables' (mostly old architecture) all the time. I still sell a fair few film images to book publishers, taken with this pair. Some overseas publishing houses still in fact prefer film images to digital. I've never asked them why as I tend to live by the principle of if it ain't broken, don't try to fix it...

My other P&Ss are Contax G1s. I bought two of these new in the '90s when I was a practising architect and had the credit (never much money) and the tax breaks, and two more for pocket money when everybody was throwing them out, like babies and bath water, in the late '00s. These are somewhat fiddlier to work with but they go on working and working, bless them. Beautiful lenses, super sharp, but when I look at the end results I really can't tell which films were taken with Nikons and which with Contaxes. Horses for courses, those P&Ss...
 

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When I am just traveling and not concentrating on taking photographs I use my Nikon N75, similar to the N65, for taking color negatives and the F100 for black & white.
 

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Here in Germany, casual film photography has seen a huge boom - many teens and young adults carried a P&S loaded C-41 consumer stocks, often developing at local drug stores. A few big changes have happened in the last year or so:

- Kodak raised their price by a full 55% across the board, even higher on some
- C200, Gold and Colorplus is almost constantly sold out. What stock there is, is price gauged on eBay.
- Drugstore developing has increased 300%-500% with no longer the option to develop without buying prints (and smallest print size has been removed as an option)

So where I am, as someone who does a lot of price checking on cameras (I flip them as a hobby) I am seeing a levelling off or stabilizing of the price. I'm talking the 50-200 EUR range, not high end like the Contax T series. Retro appeal is fun, but the price of entry is quite steep now compared to 2-3 years ago.
 

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i remember going to thrift shops 15+ years ago and seeing shelves full of P&S's, most under $10. I bought a few, used a few and gave a away some. kept the best of the bunch. lots of Mju's. they all take competent images, but truthfully, I dont get the whole hype thing. for a little fun, I listed one of my oly mju 1's last year on craigslist. I knew what the going price was, but listed it at $40 with the usual old person dribble. sat unuesed for many yearas and finally got around to clearing up the closet type of thing. within 24 hours I got 15 replies, 1 even offering $100 if I would hold it for a few days till he got back from vacation. I laughed. sold it for the $40. the guy was really excited, saying what a great buy this was and he was looking forward to using it. 2 days later the same camera was listed on craigslist and ebay for $500. I get a laugh every time i read his so called back story. how great the camera is and so on. this was sold by me in april 2020. he still has it for sale at $500 today

not sure there still is a bubble, but as with many things on ebay, there are many overpriced cool and one time hot things that hipsters had to have still for sale at way inflated prices, they are there for years sometimes. its almost a joke

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Minox EL...my friend Galen Rowell's famous photo (s) from peak of Mt McKinley ...were shot with Kodachrome and his pocketed Minox when his Nikon slr failed.
 
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I sense a lot of negative vibes towards P&S cameras here…
I actually enjoy shooting them occasionally, and many offer exceptional IQ and extreme portability and convenience, I’m actually glad to see folks getting interested in them. I would say that most of the new users are not looking for extreme IQ but rather the film ‘look’ vs their phones or other highly digital looking pics.
As far as prices go, i think most of them are still well south of 50-75$ which is still really cheap, some have really skyrocketed in recent years but usually with good reason (uniqueness or exceptional IQ), I think these few unusual examples color the perception that there is an irrational price and hence the possibility of a bubble.
The renewed interest in film with younger folks has benefitted all of us who still have an interest born decades ago.
 

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Pardon the paraphrase:
The smartphone bubble camera will end when younger folks understand that most smartphoines have consumer grade cameras, not all that well made, no parts or even service techs to fix one if you had a second phone, and worse shutter lag than P&S.
 

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Never understood why people by point and shoots. Apart from a few models they are all optically inferior to most of not all non point and shoot cameras. Especially when you can replace lenses with better once. And if size is an issue there are a some alternatives.
 

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Sometimes photography isn't about technical aspects..

I would argue that an average photographer with only P&S makes much better photos during her/his life compared to photographer with only mechanical SLR. The difference comes from fact if you have the camera with you or not - and how easy it is to capture the moment.
 

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Pics taken with my optically inferior P&S cameras:

Fuji Work Project:



Nikon LiteTouchAF:





Minolta Prod 20's:




Rollei QZ35W:



Pentax 90WR:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/39133227@N08/34yKJ8


Nikon Action Touch AF:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/39133227@N08/34yKJ8

https://www.flickr.com/gp/39133227@N08/34yKJ8
Samsung ECX1:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/39133227@N08/34yKJ8

https://www.flickr.com/gp/39133227@N08/34yKJ8
Minolta Freedom Tele:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/39133227@N08/34yKJ8
 

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Samsung ECX1:

Yesh, ECX-1s .. that is absolutely something really awesome and really strange at the same time. I have one and love shooting with it. Everyone should experience one roll with that camera.

BTW: nice photos and I love that skeptical dog!
 

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The thing with P&S cameras is that they allow access to film images for people who just want nice film images, with an all in one compact convenience, and not having to think too much about it.
It is a fun carefree way of shooting, and anything that encourages people to use film is a good thing.
The downsides are lack of control (apertures, speeds etc).

Just another tool.
 

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Taken with P&S (Pentax PC35AF) and 110% would have missed this with any other camera (didn't want to me noticed + didn't want to look like a "photographer"). Fiddling with focus + exposure would have caused a miss. I was literally 1 meter away from the guy on right.

 

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As someone with a lifetime in 135 SLRs, medium format SLRs and large format, I have a Canon point & shoot (Olympus point and shoot during heyday of film) because I do not always wish to be lugging a bag full of stuff around, which is not only a burden to carry but also an extra burden when you go on amusement rides or boat trips. A P&S with full manual capability, along with aperture/shutter priority automation, that fits easily into pants pocket or jacket pocket provides full capability of an SLR (maybe not the FL range of interchangeable lens) to capture most shots that one would be able to take with SLR, with little of the inconvenience. I much rather not walk all day around Paris lugging an SLR kit digging into the shoulder and getting in the way in crowded spaces, or run greater risk of theft by advertising 'not from here'. The point is 'get the shot' and not necessarily do it with the absolute best optics.
Without P&S, I would have missed this...printed to 12" x 60" canvas and on the wall of my home.



The SLR is terrific when the point is 'go out to shoot', but when the point is NOT to shoot but to experience life, the P&S is a good second choice. The smartphone has far too much shutter lag, compared to a good P&S, and its optics are even more limited than even the P&S zoom, and the smartphone camera UI gets in the way too much, compared to a 'real' camera.
 
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I have a wide range of high end pro level cameras, Minolta 9, 9xi, 7, 7xi, 800si, and 9000, a number of mid range AF and MB bodies. Last month or so I have use a Chinon, 35F-MA and a Vivitar 35PS with 35 2.8, on my daily walks. Light, pretty good lens, both use AA batteries, the Vivitar lens had a sliding cover but manually set ASA/ISO, easy to fit in a jacket pocket. If I want more flexibility I use a point and shoot with short zooms. I enjoy my point and shoots, although I have avoided the higher end models, currently looking for a Fuji Work Records, been looking for several months do not show up with local sellers. Other use, put in a bag with my SLR's as a back up, let my wife use it, she has a really good eye, doesn't care much for technicalities.
 

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They were not optically inferior except to Leica and Hasselblad. The optics were very good for what the cameras originally costs and the cameras were convenient and easy to use. Nothing to complain about.
 
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