Will street become this?

[jtk]

Wouldn't it be a good thing if street learned from video?

 

[jtk]

 

[Eric Rose]

And just what still frame from these videos do you think works as an excellent "street" shot?

 

[DDTJRAC]

That is what one guy proposed on another forum. Shoot video and take the frame from the video. With the tough photos I don't think you can do the extensive PP with video that is sometimes necessary with street work. RAW can hardly do it as it is for some of my work.

Just like newbies get awed by someone that shoots manual. Someday it may be like that for the awe factor for photogs that take still photos instead of extracting stills from video?

I don't know what street will turn into. If the EU privacy laws will hit the USA and then the best street will be to get people in the photos that you can't recognize.

As far as the vid? It is not candid street work, it is staged and paid for,

 

[jtk]

Who determined that "street" is a "shot" or a "still frame".

Can't there be video street? Who sez?

Some so-called street is staged (for example, a photog lurks at a corner and watches an individual)...and the question of "paid for" is unresolved (hasn't anybody made money with it?)

Can't a mime or standard-issue homeless person be paid $5? Who sets the price?

I understand the B&W grainy tradition. But I think street video has greater potential than still photography has even hinted at.

 

[Ko.Fe.]

Exactly, nothing to do with the street, staged.


Basically what good street photography is - it is about looking around for the moment and instant framing. Good street photography is selecting and editing on the spot. Not searching and editing after.

 

[Lee Rust]

It seems to me that the traditional candid "street shot" that we all revere in the work of Cartier-Bresson, Winogrand, and Maier (et al) is much more difficult to capture these days than it might have been even as recently as five years ago.

On the one hand there's the increasing public fear of uncontrolled social media exposure (especially of children) which has prompted the recent appearance of Red Dots on many European faces and stricter privacy laws in many jurisdictions, even to the extent that your very face might be considered to be legally protected personal data.

On the other hand, smartphones make it so easy to broadcast text, sound or images worldwide that it seems like almost everybody is trying to be some kind of entertainment personality, performer or producer. Consequently, an increasing number of people reflexively launch into their own special act or pose whenever they see a lens pointed in their direction. As entertaining as it is, the Mexico City video presents an extreme illustration of this kind of behavior.

Now that the introverts have their dots and the extroverts have their You Tube, Facebook, Snapchat, Twitter and Instagram, it's getting pretty hard to catch anybody in an unguarded or authentic moment. What would Henri, Gary and Vivian have done if they found themselves on this new kind of street?

 

[Eric Rose]

Start doing video "street" stuff and expect some blow back.

 

[awty]

The youngsters do short vids on a loop and load them up on snap chat, or what ever, not sure if thats the same as what you are getting at. Certainly with my 19 year old daughter it is all the rage and has been for a few years. High production videos like in the adds arent a very good comparison.
I ran into a guy yesterday in his early twenties setting up a 4x5 field camera and got to chatting as you do, he only just got the camera and also had a 16mm moving film camera he was keen to use. Think the younger generation are much more open to video.......what ever floats your boat.

 

[faberryman]

I think there is room for both video and stills. It needn't be controversial.

 

[Eric Rose]

I think there is room for both video and stills. It needn't be controversial.

I agree.

 

[jtk]

It seems to me that the traditional candid "street shot" that we all revere in the work of Cartier-Bresson, Winogrand, and Maier (et al) is much more difficult to capture these days than it might have been even as recently as five years ago.

On the one hand there's the increasing public fear of uncontrolled social media exposure (especially of children) which has prompted the recent appearance of Red Dots on many European faces and stricter privacy laws in many jurisdictions, even to the extent that your very face might be considered to be legally protected personal data.

On the other hand, smartphones make it so easy to broadcast text, sound or images worldwide that it seems like almost everybody is trying to be some kind of entertainment personality, performer or producer. Consequently, an increasing number of people reflexively launch into their own special act or pose whenever they see a lens pointed in their direction. As entertaining as it is, the Mexico City video presents an extreme illustration of this kind of behavior.

Now that the introverts have their dots and the extroverts have their You Tube, Facebook, Snapchat, Twitter and Instagram, it's getting pretty hard to catch anybody in an unguarded or authentic moment. What would Henri, Gary and Vivian have done if they found themselves on this new kind of street?

Yes...brilliant thoughts about guarded (fearful? drugged?) public behavior in this era.

Similar to the reason we no longer see many kids playing outside in most of America.

To argue the point I'd say that photographing well directed actors (Mexico City and LeBron) may convey more "truth". art, or other intense human information than today's "Henri, Gary, and Vivian" do . I "like" the photography of that trio, but I don't "revere" them more than less popularized "street" photographers (some of whom use iPhones).

Henri, Gary, and Vivian are famous mostly to droves of fanboys who "know them" only via photo books and giant circulation publications that promote them. We've all seen some of their prints, long after they became famous. Maybe Instagram is more photographically significant to "street" than Tri-X ever was?

 

[jtk]

The youngsters do short vids on a loop and load them up on snap chat, or what ever, not sure if thats the same as what you are getting at. Certainly with my 19 year old daughter it is all the rage and has been for a few years. High production videos like in the adds arent a very good comparison.
I ran into a guy yesterday in his early twenties setting up a 4x5 field camera and got to chatting as you do, he only just got the camera and also had a 16mm moving film camera he was keen to use. Think the younger generation are much more open to video.......what ever floats your boat.

awty...seems unlikely that the very young guy with the 4X5 field camera isn't a street photographer, but who knows? .. maybe your 19 year old daughter is the truest kind of street photographer.

"High production values" aren't necessarily as demanding or expensive as in Nike's Mexico video...
....Nike's LeBron James video seems within the technical range of average-arty still photographer with average-good DSLR... many right here have the technical chops to do that one and have DSLRs with plenty of video capability. I suspect the average community college has the tools and teaches video editing.

Time marches on, with or without Photrio approval

 

[Eric Rose]

"High production values" aren't necessarily as demanding or expensive as in Nike's Mexico video...
....Nike's LeBron James video seems within the technical range of average-arty still photographer with average-good DSLR... many right here have the technical chops to do that one and have DSLRs with plenty of video capability. I suspect the average community college has the tools and teaches video editing.

Time marches on, with or without Photrio approval

That video had a lot of video technique applied to it that is not obvious to still only photographers. Both in the taking and the editing. Also I don't see where Photrio approval or not is even an issue here and I don't know why you would even say that.

 

[guangong]

These videos are very costly professionally produced staged and professionally performed pieces and have very little relationship with “street photography” whether still or moving images. These are part of Nike’s current program, as expressed by Nike CEO, to expand the sale of their shoes to inner city kids by pretending that the company cares about people. The shoes, of course, are made by people working under horrendous working conditions in SE Asia.
Real street photography using cinema or video is very, very difficult. Too difficult for me (I tried years ago with my Nizo and was never satisfied with results). I have the greatest admiration for those who attemp it. I’ll stick to my still cameras for photographing people on the street...well, for me actually mostly candid pics in bars and other places where people gather.

 

[jtk]

That video had a lot of video technique applied to it that is not obvious to still only photographers. Both in the taking and the editing. Also I don't see where Photrio approval or not is even an issue here and I don't know why you would even say that.

Eric, Might be a little unfair to assert that today's younger "still photographers" commonly lack awareness of the main video techniques on those two videos...matter of fact, most of the shots in the LeBron video are common in photojournalism...easy to render them with video.

Kids are snapping "stills" and videos using iPhones and highly capable (and inexpensive) digicams with remarkable virtuosity (check skateboard youtubes)...

...video editing is taught in public high journalism and art classes using inexpensive editing software ( free if someone they know has a $10/mo Photoshop CC account like mine).

I doubt today's late teens often think of themselves as "photographers" unless someone teaches them the term.

Respectful of their elders they tell people like me that we're the photographers.

 

[jtk]

These videos are very costly professionally produced staged and professionally performed pieces and have very little relationship with “street photography” whether still or moving images. These are part of Nike’s current program, as expressed by Nike CEO, to expand the sale of their shoes to inner city kids by pretending that the company cares about people. The shoes, of course, are made by people working under horrendous working conditions in SE Asia.
Real street photography using cinema or video is very, very difficult. Too difficult for me (I tried years ago with my Nizo and was never satisfied with results). I have the greatest admiration for those who attemp it. I’ll stick to my still cameras for photographing people on the street...well, for me actually mostly candid pics in bars and other places where people gather.

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guangon, I respect your religious belief in "street,."

That you failed with an ancient Nizo is forgivable...we all fail sometimes. I've never even tried video, other than moments with Android.

iPhones are more capable than Nizo ever was a... ambitious kids learn to shoot and edit videos in public school.

Your guilt about shoes (most made in SE Asia) might be a regional thing. I'm happy tp wear shoes (mostly Merrell).

I don't hang out in bars, looking to objectify people, but that doesn't make me a better person than anybody else. .

 

[awty]

My daughter did media in school, last year of school she was school captain for media studies, it is heavily video orientated, not much still photography was taught in her school. Video will eventually dominate as the youngster are more comfortable using it than us.
Annoying drones are very common now videoing away.
Virtual reality will become more widely used as technology increases.....the possibilities are endless, but there will always be a place for still photography.

 

[jtk]

My daughter did media in school, last year of school she was school captain for media studies, it is heavily video orientated, not much still photography was taught in her school. Video will eventually dominate as the youngster are more comfortable using it than us.
Annoying drones are very common now videoing away.
Virtual reality will become more widely used as technology increases.....the possibilities are endless, but there will always be a place for still photography.

Yes...there will be a place for still photographs as long as high quality paper newspapers and magazines are read in the home. Maybe that's the sunset.

 

[Eric Rose]

Until everyone has gigabit internet to all their devices still photos will still be in high demand. If everything was video it would choke the internet as it sits now. It's bad enough with all the 'pervs' watching porn lol. There are still many situations where a single still image has much more impact than a video. I don't think still images will ever be replaced totally.

What I do think will happen is these still images will be scraped from video streams. Right now I can grab frames from my video and print stunning enlargements from them or use them for net purposes. Gives the expression "spray and pray" a whole new meaning

 

[awty]

Yes...there will be a place for still photographs as long as high quality paper newspapers and magazines are read in the home. Maybe that's the sunset.

That is quickly happening here. None of my children buy magazines or papers. Print media is dying quickly. News agencies/shops that sell papers and magazine's are shutting down. All there info comes from on line as does a large portion of there socializing. Thats the way it is. Professional photographers will have to adapt or come on here and long for the good old days.

 

[CMoore]

I dig the video....seems awesome to me.!
I do not see that it has Much/Anything to do with "Street Photography".....

 

[Ste_S]

Until everyone has gigabit internet to all their devices still photos will still be in high demand. If everything was video it would choke the internet as it sits now. It's bad enough with all the 'pervs' watching porn lol. There are still many situations where a single still image has much more impact than a video. I don't think still images will ever be replaced totally.

What I do think will happen is these still images will be scraped from video streams. Right now I can grab frames from my video and print stunning enlargements from them or use them for net purposes. Gives the expression "spray and pray" a whole new meaning

8K will massively change this when it filters down to consumer cams, 33MP stills vs the 8MP stills you can pull from 4K.
Why bother shouting stills when you can shoot 8K at 30 (or 60 !) fps.

 

[CMoore]

How do you Search/Index all that.?
Looking for ONE Frame...at 30 fps for two seconds is no problem.
What happens when you have several minutes to look at.?
Also, i would think the whole idea of "composition" takes on a new meaning with 30-60 fps.?

 

[TheFlyingCamera]

Until everyone has gigabit internet to all their devices still photos will still be in high demand. If everything was video it would choke the internet as it sits now. It's bad enough with all the 'pervs' watching porn lol. There are still many situations where a single still image has much more impact than a video. I don't think still images will ever be replaced totally.

What I do think will happen is these still images will be scraped from video streams. Right now I can grab frames from my video and print stunning enlargements from them or use them for net purposes. Gives the expression "spray and pray" a whole new meaning

If it weren't for pervs watching porn and wanting some degree of anonymity while doing so, we'd probably still be on dial-up internet and transactions would be being sent in the clear. Porn pretty much paid for the internet