Wiki Author Disses Film Cameras...

artonpaper said:

Could not agree more. I teach both digital and analogue. I have compared digital photography to warming a frozen dinner in the micro wave, as compared to making a curry where one has ground all the spices, stirred, tasted, adjusted the seasoning and then serves it up with a flair. Now I'm hungry, damn it.

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So, you concoct and spread all your emulsions. Cool. Mine the silver too?

Such analogies as microwave dinners are often concocted by those with an axe to grind; as if there were no artistry in the pre-production, production, and post-production of a digital photograph. Either they are willfully calling work of digital photographers (and I do mean skill, effort and work) worthless in order to grind their axe or they are unaware of just how much work and skill the best practitioners are able to apply.

The first motive is ugly and the second is ignorant. Neither does analogue photography any favours.

I did not read all replys so I my be repeating someone. But I use digital to take test images before breaking at the film cameras. For me personly I think I have improved, using the digital I can shoot different camera placements,b/w or color. Kind of sounds like cheating

tomalophicon said:

I actually don't not like digital. I use a digital camera from time to time (I even own one!) and think it's useful for certain applications. And you're right, I should have used a different word to describe the way I feel about it, though my un-creative head is having trouble doing that.
When I use digital, the satisfaction I feel when using film isn't there. And whatever people say here, I find the process to be very important, and not merely a tool. I feel intense satisfaction from merely exposing film, all the way through to having prints to show to loved ones. The process itself is a creative outlet for me.
When I use digital, and go into the necessary processing of digital, I just feel... bored, uninspired, flat.
YMMV

I'm not anti-digital, I'm anti me using digital (most of the time).

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artonpaper said:

Could not agree more. I teach both digital and analogue. I have compared digital photography to warming a frozen dinner in the micro wave, as compared to making a curry where one has ground all the spices, stirred, tasted, adjusted the seasoning and then serves it up with a flair. Now I'm hungry, damn it.

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Also strongly in agreement, especially with this:


I left out the "(most of the time)" only because for me it happens to be all of the time. And as the above sentiments are clearly the personal opinions of their respective authors, they should be respected as such. Not everyone will necessarily hold the same viewpoints. Nor should they...

Ken

Monito said:

So, you concoct and spread all your emulsions. Cool. Mine the silver too?

Such analogies as microwave dinners are often concocted by those with an axe to grind; as if there were no artistry in the pre-production, production, and post-production of a digital photograph. Either they are willfully calling work of digital photographers (and I do mean skill, effort and work) worthless in order to grind their axe or they are unaware of just how much work and skill the best practitioners are able to apply.

The first motive is ugly and the second is ignorant. Neither does analogue photography any favours.

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Your sarcasm is also a turn off for those who will look at these posts with the intent of learning about analog photography.

Monito, microwave dinners aren't worthless; they are sometimes delicious.

mopar_guy said:

Your sarcasm is also a turn off for those who will look at these posts with the intent of learning about analog photography.

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I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious.

Look, if somebody says they don't enjoy digital or prefer working with their hands, that's indisputable: de gustibus non disputatum est = "There is no disputing personal taste". That's fine. I like working with my hands as well as the other way. I understand.

However, when somebody equates digital photography to "microwaved frozen food" (compared to a home/chef cooked meal), that's a very disputable metaphor. The intent of the person making that metaphor is to disrespect digital practitioners by its emphasis on supposed lack of skill and lack of work (let alone lack of taste).

If that is not their intent, then they need another metaphor, or they need to put it in personal terms. For example, if they wrote "I have never been able to make a digital photo that satisfied me as much as a home cooked meal; my digital photos in comparison to my silver gelatin work seem like microwaved frozen food", then there would be no disputing it. That personal experience and those sentiments are entirely understandable. It is also respectable that somebody might decide not to devote the time it takes to become skilled in digital (yes, it actually does take time).

Disrespecting people who have chosen digital but are curious about film or who enjoy both is just as abhorrent as the people in some digital forums who call film practitioners "dinosaurs" and "unable to learn" and "stinky old farts".

Remember, this thread started because people here on APUG objected to somebody writing the phrase "defunct film technology". It's quite a spectacle to see APUG members behaving that same way with respect to digital technology.

Think of people coming here with the intent of learning about analogue photography as foreigners. Welcome them. Don't disrespect their country and their quaint customs and culture. Don't tell them a few days before July 4th Independence Day that they don't have a real country and they should be colonized by the 'painter country'. Those who are true teachers deep down and really want to help them learn won't tell them that they have no taste and their food is like cardboard.

Monito said:

Disrespecting people who have chosen digital but are curious about film or who enjoy both is just as abhorrent as the people in some digital forums who call film practitioners "dinosaurs" and "unable to learn" and "stinky old farts".

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To represent a proper balance digital users are called "crackheads", "have no clue" and "dog turds".

If they do sincerely want to learn analog photography, then they can check their none analog gear at the door to APUG.

Les Sarile said:

To represent a proper balance digital users are called "crackheads", "have no clue" and "dog turds".

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I thought the "two wrongs make a right" theory was discarded by time middle school was achieved.

Monito said:

I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious.

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Perhaps you should read some of your own posts.

Les Sarile said:

To represent a proper balance digital users are called "crackheads", "have no clue" and "dog turds".

If they do sincerely want to learn analog photography, then they can check their none analog gear at the door to APUG.

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I use the disaffectionate term "digi-snapper"

YMMV

Monito said:

I thought . . . blah blah blah

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Your digital mind doesn't have enough resolution and latitude to know what we already do.

BMHOTD & ROTFLMAO!

Les Sarile said:

Your digital mind doesn't have enough resolution and latitude to know what we already do.

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Nice try. That says more about you than me.

LOL awesome.

Monito said:

Nice try.

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Try not. Do... or do not. Yoda.

Monito said:

Nice try. That says more about you than me.

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APUG monitors alert: ad hominem oliceman:

Thread closed. Let's give it a rest.