Really interesting discussion about seriousness in photography.
In my view the answer to >>"If you're serious about photography..."<< is that you must have other people that want your work, that are willing to pay for your work and that you consistently deliver in your photography. So basically, you're a professional photog.
In this case I suspect that most of the people on this discussion board are no longer or never were serious about photography.
I was working for a short time as someone, who's tasks were not only limited to, but largely based on my photography skills and while it was fun, it was not something that I really wanted to do in a long term, despite that I was requested several times if I could continue so.
But I did not want to do photography, that I was relly enjoying otherwise, seriously.
Let people be unserious about their hobbies.
For me, what is important, is that if you want to share and show off with your hobby work, with your craft, is that you come out clean, or at least respond sincirely to questions, as opposed to obscuring or straight out lying about what you've done. I find exeption in a case, if it is something patentable - then, let it stay obscured, if that's your wish.
For me, I love shooting colour film emulsion because I love looking at it, being it in prints (that I have never done myself) or be it digital scans (which show an extreme amount of detail if done properly). I love the organic look of grain, which is different than what most of digital grain simulations are offering. I love the color transitions, which are too hard for me to recreate. I love the ruminary elements in the process, and I love the magic of science that is shown in photographic chemistry. I do also love the magic of science of electronic photosensors, but digital photography doesn't exhaust my curiosity and desire for taking/making pictures.
I used to shoot color negative film but I printed them in my darkroom. Now having no darkroom I shoot color slide film and project them. It's fun to shoot film although expensive.
One can slow digital photography, too. Turn off image playback or cover the camera's monitor with a bit of black card and artist's tape (comes off easily, leaves no residue). Then don't download the files for a week. Simple.Inspired by all the responses to my original post ... thank you! ... I shot 3 rolls of Kodak Gold 200 last week on holiday using my Mamiya 7ii and 80mm lens. One of the attractions of film photography for me (incl colour neg) is that I now have to wait to see if any or all of the shots come out! Maybe the camera leaked light and everything is fogged? Or I might screw up the processing when I get around to it in the next week or so!
I like slow photography.
One can slow digital photography, too. Turn off image playback or cover the camera's monitor with a bit of black card and artist's tape (comes off easily, leaves no residue). Then don't download the files for a week. Simple.
This post was stimulated by https://www.photrio.com/forum/threa...p-better-than-kodak-gold-or-colorplus.215894/ but rather than go off-topic on that thread, I'll make the comment here:
If you are going to digitally post-process colour photos (colour negatives or positives), why bother to shoot analogue rather than digital (RAW)?
I think I can be convinced that shooting analogue B&W and scanning might be worthwhile ... to give a distinctive "look" to the final retro image, but surely there is less of a case for colour?
Of course, one perfectly valid response is: because it's so much more fun shooting film! And I'm sure there are many other good reasons, but I'm curious to know them.
I love shooting film, and all my B&W work uses film which is scanned, but when it comes to colour for prints etc, I now use a digital camera. I should add that my main hobby is stereo transparencies, viewed in an optical viewer, and digital displays come nowhere near the quality of a transparency viewed optically or directly, so of course I use film.
I mostly shoot digital in manual mode (both focus and exposure), set ISO. Sometimes I will lapse and shoot in aperture-priority. And I never chimp. Playback/review is turned off on when possible.For real fun, lock the ISO and turn off the AF too.
Inspired by all the responses to my original post ... thank you! ... I shot 3 rolls of Kodak Gold 200 last week on holiday using my Mamiya 7ii and 80mm lens. One of the attractions of film photography for me (incl colour neg) is that I now have to wait to see if any or all of the shots come out! Maybe the camera leaked light and everything is fogged? Or I might screw up the processing when I get around to it in the next week or so!
I like slow photography.
For real fun, lock the ISO and turn off the AF too.
These came up on a thread online recently. For me it is 100% about the cameras. I find digital cameras a bit boring to use (the "fun" features aren't all that fun). My own experience is also that people tend to find old cameras (TLRs especially), a lot less imposing
A few more...
No worries about memory card failures.
Mechanical cameras are ready to shoot in an instant.
Long exposures are an uncomplicated thing to do, as are multiple exposures.
I like to see a little grain in an image.
Medium format is much less expensive.
There is nostalgia and emotion in the way film renders.
I don't want to look at screens, especially in bright sunlight or on dark streets.
Lenses are cheaper.
I learn more about the imaging process when there are more manual steps.
Digital cameras have less variation in their design.
A process that has less room for error is more sterile and less interesting.
Simplicity can be liberating.
I already tried digital cameras and nothing compelled me to keep taking photos with them, I threw the photos in a folder and forgot about them until the next hard drive crash.
If my budget tightened, I'd make each shot more important and take less of them. And I'd sell half of my lenses and cameras.
When I shot film I saw nostalgia and felt aesthetics. Leaving film brought me to the Leica M-D 262. Comparison of the too formats enabled me to realize how much more digital captures the essence without the film’s signature getting in the way
I hate being the center of attention so part of my calculus on what camera to use when out among throngs of people is actually what is least likely to inspire conversation. Probably why I only have one TLR.
A quick google suggests this Leica is a 7000$ camera.
I can see how you'd really, really want it to capture that 'essence'!
I do not care what other people think my using film. It is none of their business.
@Nikon 2
Different strokes. Leaving film for 10 years brought me to the Sony NEX paired with my vintage lenses and also the Fuji X100S. I took very few images and found it very difficult to be motivated or inspired to change that. I have many contacts who produce great digital pictures, it just isn't for me.
I do not care what other people think my using film. It is none of their business.
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