The Boys of Summer, 1965
That is interesting. E-6 is E-6, I thought, so I wonder what they do differently when going with "Kodak" or "Fuji" process.
The two companies use different First Developer times. I assumed that was what they meant, but they might mean chemistry as well.
PE
Very nice. Was the sky a bit hazy that day?
Here's a pic I did not shoot. It was a slide found buried in an old desk at the university camera club where I attended a few years ago. The Kodachrome slide was dated October 1965. I used the club's Nikon Coolscan to digitize it. We never figured out who it was, but I love the photo.
What substantive/visible differences come from timing the first developer differently?
After the Hemel Hempstead years all UK Kodachrome was sent to Paris.I moved from Kodachrome largely because of the indifferent UK "Box 14" processing, often with scratches, blue spots and poor plastic mounts, and sometimes lacking the general "sparkle" of earlier years. I still remember the last film I used, and the total frustration of poor processing after my time, expense and serious effort to produce some good results from a "special" vacation.....and that with what I thought was supposedly Kodak's flagship film.
Natural light. Intriguing expression. Unknown camera. I wonder what was so interesting...
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After the Hemel Hempstead years all UK Kodachrome was sent to Paris.
After the Hemel Hempstead years all UK Kodachrome was sent to Paris.
I'm sure I used to send mine to Switzerland.
Steve.
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Confirmed
Processing went from
Hemel to Paris to Harrow to Switzerland to Dwanes.
But the address you posted to was sometimes a redirect.
I wonder what happened with Dan Bayer's Kodachrome project. IIRC He had an intention of publishing a book of "best of" but last time I had news of it, it was a hard undertaking for him though he seemed to be close to publish, that was a couple years ago. I know he grew lots of differences with APUG and he was very busy with the other projects in his business.
So it must have been archived in some way. It is a great slice of American history around '09-10 and the few small scans around the web don't do it justice.
It's sad that we keep having these threads.
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I should have guessed you'd be the one to know that...
Ken
It's sad that we keep having these threads. It's so simple we just didn't buy enough Kodachrome for it to be produced and processed, and as sales declined process times increased and that was the final nail in the coffin....
Ian
Yes, but why did people quit buying it... price, quality (didn't keep up with the times?), convenience, or some other reason(s)?
It's sad that we keep having these threads. It's so simple we just didn't buy enough Kodachrome for it to be produced and processed, and as sales declined process times increased and that was the final nail in the coffin.
Ian
Yes, but why did people quit buying it... price, quality (didn't keep up with the times?), convenience, or some other reason(s)?
It's sad that we keep having these threads. It's so simple we just didn't buy enough Kodachrome for it to be produced and processed, and as sales declined process times increased and that was the final nail in the coffin.
It's about 40 years since I last shot Kodachrome, I've never missed not using it because Fuji 50D was so good and Fuji made faster E6 films as well, I never used any Kodak colour films after that, except for a couple of rolls of Ektar 25.
No. It is not so simple, and it never will be not when one impresses their own conjecture around a grand narrative on why "we" (writ large, every consumer somehow) "just didn't buy enough" Kodachrome. It's also really condescending when you say "it's sad we keep having these threads". C'mon, dude.
For each new film photographer or cinematographer who listened to their mentors (those who steered them over to other films before even learning about what was so special about Kodachrome as a medium with its own palette and rendering capabilities), it meant that with each turnover of a generation, photographers and consumers more broadly heard less and less about this particular Kodak product family (and arguably about other Kodak product lines, as well).
Page back some days ago on this thread as I shared the way the sales counter at our city's premier pro camera sales/film/lab so actively steered me, then a new photographer, away from Kodachrome when I categorically asked them about it. There were entire bricks of professional Kodachrome in the backlit glass fridge right behind them. As I wanted to get really good at shooting with colour reversal film, I asked them about Kodachrome because it was the one slide film I knew by name (and instinctively, by its vividness on a projector screen whenever my dad assembled everyone for showing slides on his Ektagraphic Carousel). My dad shot all of the Kodachrome; my mother did not (she also wasn't a photographer). Though I lacked a technical grasp on what made Kodachrome different, I knew there was a reason for why it was a venerable film, one to have stuck through since at least the '50s (which is the oldest I'd seen hitherto, long before I knew about its 1935 debut).
I actually opened my masters thesis on the Kodachrome Toronto Registry in 2012 with this anecdotal recollection of how those men at the National Camera Exchange film sales counter so actively moved me over to their Fujichrome products. (If I still sound a bit cross, it's because I am. Their guidance sucked. That was several years totally squandered on not getting to discover something which would quite frankly change my life.)
Between: A) last-mile dealer dissuasions to consumers who'd ask about the Kodachrome product (in that case, it was 1998); to B) sellers and dealers who never brought up the Kodachrome product line unprompted; to C) an awareness that Kodak all but halted the end-user marketing of its Kodachrome line of products after around 1990, give or take a year; to D) a half-hearted effort to distribute and localize Kodachrome processing through its automated K-Lab tech (a brilliant technology of automation (!!!) but with the worst deployment and promotion); to E) persistently dialling back the availability of its line in larger formats going back to as early as 1951, as Kodak tried to market its not-ready-for-prime-time Ektachrome E-4 (and earlier processes) as "pro" (which in marketing parlance inferred "superior") while relegating Kodachrome as a "consumer" product (which in the same, inferred "inferior"), having one effect for still film branding, but compounded all the more for motion film (given higher volumes of stock that medium moved); and to F) a tepid rollout of a 120 film line for its Kodachrome family just four years before it informally put the kibosh on all marketing for that family well, the company was so completely at odds with itself.
The company would try to slice a cake, only to stab itself, then wonder why it was bleeding everywhere instead of enjoying a slice of cake.
Although this wasn't central or even a super-important component for my thesis research, I did find how elements like the above were part of a systemic problem which originated from the very top in the Rochester offices (you know, N. Clinton, Ridge, etc.). I found how the very top revealed its failure to acclimate and to adapt to a market which moved away from massive-scale, one-size-fits-most economies, to an age of more atomized, diversified economies (i.e., beyond primary resource extraction and secondary manufacturing economies), for which industrial processes for end products became more specialized (but still demanded). (On a question of scale and longevity, IBM, anyone?) I found the very top to be woodenheaded for its oversight to acknowledge how it wouldn't always be atop the imaging industry if it maintained a complicity a complacency, even in mismanaging Steve Sasson's brainchild and lumbered along by making strategic decisions (to external changes and consumption demands) with all the litheness of a glacier.
This systemic problem from the very top delivered an epic disservice to its aggregated brain trust of brilliant researchers and engineers across multiple optical and imaging divisions, so many of whom produced an amazing array of products and palette kits which (in their own ways) changed the world which, if you think about what a "palette kit" is, this is very much what different emulsions, CCD, and CMOS chips are. Ferrania C-41 films are a palette kit. Adox films are a palette kit. Lomochrome Purple/Cyan/Tie-dye-swirl films are palette kits. Even Ilfochrome is a secondary palette kit, if but a very cranky one.
The very top haemorrhaged itself of its own lifeblood and its many opportunities to adjust deftly to a changing marketplace (and to the different options which that market presented to consumers, whether b-to-b,b-to-d, or b-to-c). Finally, by 2012, the very top had bled itself dry. It's over.
When photographers discovered what it could do and liked what it could do, photographers bought Kodachrome. It engendered loyalties for life. Some photographers left Kodachrome for whatever reason (new films, an outcome they didn't want, a need for RA-4 prints, processing quality control laxness by Kodak itself, turnaround rate, etc.). Others stayed loyal because the palette kit meant everything to their work.
New photographers came into their own and looked to their predecessors, but they heard far less about this stuff called Kodachrome. It's because these new photogs weren't hearing about it from Kodak's routine of not marketing that family of film. Thus, sales tend to keep falling in an absence of a marketing plan. Unlike other companies which must assertively, even aggressively market a product when sales for that line begin to flag, Kodak fiddled. Kodak idled. Kodak did other unspecified things. Kodak did everything other than what it really needed at a time when it was needed the most.
From the moment I tested Kodachrome, I very nearly stopped shooting with every other film and just kept buying and shooting Kodachrome until December 29th, 2010. I try to imagine if Kodak, between 1988 and 2009, could have gone the necessary mile to reach the many film photographers out there who would buy its family of Kodachrome products the way Daniel Bayer did, or even I did (even if it paled to Daniel's prolific output) had it bothered to use adaptive marketing for that outreach. Even remedial marketing would not have hurt their bottom line. When selling a family of products at a global scale, marketing done well branding done well is a trifling expenditure with high potential of greater returns. Eastman Kodak's case for its branding work for Kodachrome was already made for them by WWII. This was a slow, underhanded pitch as far as marketing challenges went; at the time, say 1990, it certainly had the capital to develop a fantastic marketing plan. It didn't, however, develop a fantastic marketing plan.
(Really thinking about the readership here lots of dudes and trying mightily to stifle homologous relationships between "Porsche" with "911" to "Eastman Kodak" with "Kodachrome", but oh, there I went and let that one loose.)
tl;dr: Whether it was a reluctance to change the way to run a business from the old and familiar, or a lack of diversity in strategic decision making the very top hurt itself and did so in a slow, gruelling burn starting back in the 1990s. In so doing, it also disrupted the livelihoods of its many talented minds (as they were either laid off or snapped up by more sprightly competitors). What a bummer sandwich, Kodak. You guys.
An emulsion is a tool. You found the emulsion palettes and characteristics which you preferred the most for your photographic work. That's great! Every photographer should find their kit of emulsions which they feel will bring out the best of their vision in the work they produce. For me, and probably for Daniel and a few APUG readers, this is what the Kodachrome family of products did the very best.
Unfortunately, the very top at Kodak didn't think of their products in this manner. They didn't adapt. And this cost them very nearly everything.
And now, here's how Kodachrome chronicled a very hungry zombie.
Yes, the apparent death of the project is very disappointing, particularly as, at the time, he was soliciting financial contributions on the kodachromeproject.com website (and this "Donate" tab is still on the site, although the Forum seems to have disappeared). I also asked his progress a year or two ago, either here or on the Kodachrome site (I can't immediately track it down) and, if I remember correctly, I received a rather defensive reply about other commitments....TBH, I rather gained the impression that he may have lost interest. I hope I'm mistaken, as it could be an important record, as you suggest.
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