Who Made the J&C Papers

[edbuffaloe]

J&C Photographic went out of business a year or so ago. I really liked their Classic paper & wonder if anyone knows who made it for them. It was a very unusual premium paper. I seem to recall it was a grade 2-1/2.

 

[sanking]

I believe it was made by Forte in Hungary, which went out of business a couple of years ago.

Sandy King

J&C Photographic went out of business a year or so ago. I really liked their Classic paper & wonder if anyone knows who made it for them. It was a very unusual premium paper. I seem to recall it was a grade 2-1/2.

 

[JBrunner]

The Polywarmtone was Forte, I believe the Vario Classic was Adox, IDK about the graded, but both Forte and Adox were among John's suppliers.

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

The graded paper called first "Exposition" and later "Nuance" was Efke Emaks. This paper was also sold as Cachet Expo and Maco Expo. Under different brands there have been different names for the three grades, but they are always the same three grades. Emaks 2 is a little softer than, say, Galerie 2, and Emaks 3 is a little softer than Galerie 3. Emaks 2 and 3 are the same speed in my experience, but 4 is one or two stops faster.

 

[edbuffaloe]

Just when I get the tone I'm looking for from a paper, I discover it has gone out of production.

 

[PHOTOTONE]

Just when I get the tone I'm looking for from a paper, I discover it has gone out of production.

Emaks is not out of production.

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

Indeed, I use and purchase Emaks regularly as my main enlarging paper.

 

[Michel Hardy-Vallée]

Ed, if you need to run any kind of comparison between what was boxed as Nuance and Emaks, for the sake of science, I'd be glad to send you some 8x10 sheets. I have standardized on Kentmere graded paper, and haven't used much the 100 box of J&C Nuance I have.

 

[Photo Engineer]

John told me that a lot of it came from EFKE.

PE

 

[mmcclellan]

It's very easy to get EMAKS from Freestyle -- they are always stocked and carry the full range of papers. Also, the "Museum" paper, which was my personal favorite, was Forte Fortezo heavyweight -- such a pity it's no longer in production. But EMAKS comes pretty close and I use it for just about everything now. It tones beautifully in Selenium, is cheaper than many other papers, and has superb tonality.

 

[Ray Rogers]

The graded paper called first "Exposition" and later "Nuance" was Efke Emaks. This paper was also sold as Cachet Expo and Maco Expo. Under different brands there have been different names for the three grades, but they are always the same three grades. Emaks 2 is a little softer than, say, Galerie 2, and Emaks 3 is a little softer than Galerie 3. Emaks 2 and 3 are the same speed in my experience, but 4 is one or two stops faster.

Hummmm,

Generally, the higher contrast papers tend to be slower that the lower contrast versions.

I can not locate data sheets for an Emaks 4, but have them for Emaks 1,2 & 3

Can anyone scan me a copy of an "Emaks 4" Data sheet?

David tells me the "3" may have been called "4" in some environments...

If the "Emaks 3" is the "Emaks 4" David is referring to, then the higher contrast paper should be slower, not faster, than its lower contrast siblings.

???

Ray

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

Efke as far as I can tell has always called it 4. I've never seen Emaks 1, but I suppose that it was produced at some time, since the current grades from Efke are called 2, 3, and 4. They were also called 2, 3, and 4 from Cachet and I believe Maco. J&C called them Soft, Normal, and Hard. I think I've seen a version branded as 1, 2, and 3, but I don't recall which brand that was.

I have the paper, and 4 is definitely faster than the other grades. Checking my notes now, it's two stops.

 

[Uhner]

I've never seen Emaks 1, but I suppose that it was produced at some time

You are correct. I have some old boxes of Emax grade 1. Probably made in the seventies.

 

[Ray Rogers]

Efke as far as I can tell has always called it 4. I've never seen Emaks 1, but I suppose that it was produced at some time, since the current grades from Efke are called 2, 3, and 4. They were also called 2, 3, and 4 from Cachet and I believe Maco. J&C called them Soft, Normal, and Hard. I think I've seen a version branded as 1, 2, and 3, but I don't recall which brand that was.

I have the paper, and 4 is definitely faster than the other grades. Checking my notes now, it's two stops.

So the item you have is labeled "Efke 4" and not the Cachet, Maco or J and C stuff?

I would still like to see a data sheet for that product, if anyone has one.

Ray

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

The one I have is Cachet, but I've used both Efke and Cachet labeled 2 and 3 and J&C Nuance "Normal" (=Emaks 3)), and they are the same product. I don't use that much G4.

 

[Thomas Bertilsson]

I'll second the analysis so far, with the fixed grade paper being Fotokemika (Efke) Emaks paper. I have both currently, Nuance and Emaks in both grade 2 and 3, and they print the same. Great stuff with super high contrast negs in Weston's Amidol. Just beautiful stuff.

- Thomas

 

[Zvonimir Ervacic]

Efke as far as I can tell has always called it 4. I've never seen Emaks 1, but I suppose that it was produced at some time, since the current grades from Efke are called 2, 3, and 4. They were also called 2, 3, and 4 from Cachet and I believe Maco. J&C called them Soft, Normal, and Hard. I think I've seen a version branded as 1, 2, and 3, but I don't recall which brand that was.

I have the paper, and 4 is definitely faster than the other grades. Checking my notes now, it's two stops.

Fotokemika have different naming for US market and EU market. "Soft" is marked as grade 1 in EU and grade 2 in US. "Normal" is 2 in EU, 3 in US, "Hard" is 3 in EU and 4 in US.
I also never see grade 1 Emaks but I have grade 2 "Soft" for US market and grade 2 "Normal" for EU market.

In H. Lynn Jones papers "B&W developers processing and technique" (available to DL)it says:
"The world standard normal is #2 while the US standard is #3 except for some graded papers which retain their normalcy.".
Attached table show world standard 1 = US standard 3, 2=4, 3=5, etc.
Go figure!

I prefer to name Emaks papers as Soft, Normal and Hard.

Best regards,
Zvonimir

 

[Ray Rogers]

The one I have is Cachet, but I've used both Efke and Cachet labeled 2 and 3 and J&C Nuance "Normal" (=Emaks 3)), and they are the same product. I don't use that much G4.

Just to be sure,
Does this mean that your assertion
that Emaks 4 is 2 stops faster than other Emaks' grades
is based on the behaviour of a product labled Cachet grade 4,
and not labled Efke Emaks grade 4...

but which you belive to be in fact, Efke Emaks 4?

And that the paper in question contains no mention or claim to be any Efke product ?

This is starting to give me a headache.
Who is doing the claiming that that Cachet product is Efke?

Who is saying that your Cachet grade 4 product (actual official name on pkg. = ?) is in fact, Efke's Emaks 4?

and why?

???

:confused:

I need some Lebkuchen!

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

Yes, that is my assertion, and I am fairly positive that it is true.

It has long been known that Cachet Expo RF graded, which is no longer distributed under that label, was Efke Emaks. I don't recall where I first learned this, but John Minakais from J&C didn't keep any secrets about where his products were made, and as I recall, he confirmed that these were all the same papers.

If the speed of Emaks 4 is of such concern to you, I recommend that you purchase packs of each grade, run your own tests and report back. I'm satisfied with mine.

 

[Ray Rogers]

Yes, that is my assertion, and I am fairly positive that it is true.

It has long been known that Cachet Expo RF graded, which is no longer distributed under that label, was Efke Emaks...

If the speed of Emaks 4 is of such concern to you, I recommend that you purchase packs of each grade, run your own tests and report back. I'm satisfied with mine.

As I understand it, to confirm your observations, I would have to test an OEM product, that carried a misleading label on it... which no longer exists in that configuration...

So thanks but no thanks, I'll pass.

I have no interest in OEM products.
I am only curious if anyone can point a

Data Sheet
for
Fotokemika's Efke Emaks 4 paper made in
Croatia, once known as Yugoslavia

in my direction.


Ray

 

[Gim]

From the Freestyle website:

"Fotokemika Emaks:

Rich blacks and nicely stepped mid tones

Exceptional response to all toners

High silver content and the addition of gold chloride to make this the perfect paper for Lith Printing
Same as Nuance brand and Cachet Expo RF graded fiber-base photographic papers.

Note: This paper is listed on the Fotokemika Emaks datasheet as grade #2 but it is actually closer to a grade #3 by U.S. contrast grade standards.

Click here to download the Technical Data Sheet for
Fotokemika Emaks B&W photographic papers"

This is, or can be, a beautiful paper but 2 of the last three boxes I purchased have serious defects. Each box has a different type of defect and neither Freestyle or Fotokemika give a poop.
I have switched to Ilford.

Jim

 

[Zvonimir Ervacic]

I am only curious if anyone can point a
Data Sheet
for
Fotokemika's Efke Emaks 4 paper made in
Croatia, once known as Yugoslavia
in my direction.
Ray

Hi,

let me know if this is enough data:
http://www.plumeltd.com/artzone/paperzone/efke1.htm

 

[Ray Rogers]

Hi,

let me know if this is enough data:
http://www.plumeltd.com/artzone/paperzone/efke1.htm

Hi Zvonimir,

Thanks.

I have data sheets for these 3 papers, but David mentions a grade 4; Someone else mentions different lables for Europe and the US, 1,2,3 being 2,3 and 4, and this may be so, but David seems pretty sure his grade 4 is faster than the other grades, which doesn't fit the data for the Emaks papers... that you have posted here and that I also have...

So,

Did or does, Efke produce a 4th, higher contrast paper than the grade 3 mentioned here?

And, is it really faster than the other Emaks papers?

I suspect something is missing from this story, and that there may in fact not be anything to look for. :confused:

Ray

 

[Zvonimir Ervacic]

Hi Zvonimir,

Thanks.

I have data sheets for these 3 papers, but David mentions a grade 4; Someone else mentions different lables for Europe and the US, 1,2,3 being 2,3 and 4, and this may be so, but David seems pretty sure his grade 4 is faster than the other grades, which doesn't fit the data for the Emaks papers... that you have posted here and that I also have...

So,

Did or does, Efke produce a 4th, higher contrast paper than the grade 3 mentioned here?

And, is it really faster than the other Emaks papers?

I suspect something is missing from this story, and that there may in fact not be anything to look for. :confused:

Ray

Hi Ray,

Emaks is my favorit paper and I live about 8km from Fotokemika factory so I'm buying stuff right on the source. Whenever I'm there I'm trying to get some information about the current stuff and the about the future plans.
It was me who was rumbling about different labeling for US and EU markets and so far I know there never was more than 3 different graded Emaks.
I have all 3 grades and all 3 are different speed. I guess we are talking about sensitivity to light here. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Regards,
Zvonimir

 

[Ray Rogers]

(Hummm...
Like Magic, My post does not appear; I will retype!)

Zvonimir,

Yes you are correct.

It was claimed that a paper, called Emaks grade 4
was faster by 2 stops than the other papers in that line.

This did not sound familiar to me,　so I checked my files and
an Emaks 3 paper was found that is about TWO STOPS SLOWER than the other Emaks papers,
but no Emaks 4
and no Emaks "high contrast" paper that is 2 stops FASTER than the other Emaks...

So until someone can point to data showing that there is or was, a Grade 4 Emaks paper that is both labled "Emaks 4" and is faster than other Emaks'...

I will have to write this notion off as a myth.

As it would be sad for truth to be mislabled "Myth",　If someone knows better, please speak up.

Ray


PS,　Zvonimir, I envy your close proximity to a photo manufacturer!
What is the local area like? Is English or German generally understood?
What is there in the way of sight seeing?