Who is using Quad Tone RIP?

[donbga]

Just curious to hear from those of you that are using Quad Tone RIP to make monochrome inkjet prints.

Thanks,

Don Bryant

 

[Keith Taylor]

Just curious to hear from those of you that are using Quad Tone RIP to make monochrome inkjet prints.

Thanks,

Don Bryant

Hi Don,

I rarely make prints on my Epson 4000, mostly it's used for inkjet negs, but when I do I use the QuadTone RIP and it does a great job. I've actually just started using it to make negs for platinum today. Nothing printed yet though.

Keith.

 

[donbga]

Hi Don,

I rarely make prints on my Epson 4000, mostly it's used for inkjet negs, but when I do I use the QuadTone RIP and it does a great job. I've actually just started using it to make negs for platinum today. Nothing printed yet though.

Keith.

Hi Keith,

Please keep us updated with your results of using QTR to make digital negatives for platinum printing.

As for using QTR for inkjet printing I'm interested hearing what experiences others have had with the RIP.

Best,

Don Bryant

 

[L Gebhardt]

I have used it for the Epson 2200 and it gives great results. Neutral black and white images, with just a hint of tone if you want. Not as nice as a FB print, but close.

 

[donbga]

I have used it for the Epson 2200 and it gives great results. Neutral black and white images, with just a hint of tone if you want. Not as nice as a FB print, but close.

Hi Larry,

I've made quite a few monochrome prints on my 2200 using QTR. However I'm trying to get a better understanding of the QTR profiles and Curve Creator such as making a print with split tones, creating profiles for papers, etc.

There seems not to be a concise and thorough source of information about QTR. I've read and reread the QTR tutorial written by Tom Moore yet I'm not always satisfied with the information that is presented.

Additionally I'm using QTR to make digital negatives as Keith mentioned. Using QTR for manufacturing digi negs is considerably different than using the RIP to make prints. So I have much to learn before I feel compotent with QTR.

Thanks,

Don

 

[Jeremy]

I just received Don's print for the inkjet exchange and he definitely knows how to use QTR.

 

[Joe Lipka]

I am using QTR with my Epson R2400. It works just fine.

 

[donbga]

I am using QTR with my Epson R2400. It works just fine.

Are you using the canned paper curves/profiles Joe or have you made your own?

Thanks,

Don Bryant

 

[Joe Lipka]

I am using the profiles provided with the software. I was curious because when I downloaded the software there were no settings for Hannemuehle (I hope I spelled that right) paper. In an email exchange with the author, I was advised that if I appropriated one of the other matte paper settings, "it would work out OK." I picked one, printed out a step wedge, checked the output with a reflection densitometer and it matched up perfectly.

 

[donbga]

I am using the profiles provided with the software. I was curious because when I downloaded the software there were no settings for Hannemuehle (I hope I spelled that right) paper. In an email exchange with the author, I was advised that if I appropriated one of the other matte paper settings, "it would work out OK." I picked one, printed out a step wedge, checked the output with a reflection densitometer and it matched up perfectly.

Joe,

The Epson enhanced Matt profile should work very well for Hahnemuhle (correct spelling). It is often used in other quad tone printing systems so the EEM can be used to proof on before using the more expensive Hahnemuhle paper for the final print.

I beleive Brooks Jensen uses QTR. I wonder if he builds his own profiles.

The reason that I'm curious about profile building is that I have some papers that aren't profiled for QTR and every time I've tried to roll my own they alwyas looked horrible. One of the things I find fascinating about inkjet print is the plethora of printing papers available now.

As I also mentioned before, I'm also interested in figuring out how to make split toned inkjet prints.

Don

 

[Nathan Jones]

I am using QTR with MIS UC "Eboni" inkset in a 7600 on Hahnemuhle 308 gram Photorag, proofing on EEM, using the "canned" QTR curve. Results are pretty good (the curve seems a little steep at the very bottom end). ---I too need to dive into QTR and learn how to work it from the inside out. And I concur, the tutorials for QTR seem lacking in depth and detail. Though there does appear to be some powerful expertise attending the QTR user group.

I am also very interested in QTR's potential applications in making digital negatives, but I haven't really gotten into that yet.

-Nathan

 

[Helen B]

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As I also mentioned before, I'm also interested in figuring out how to make split toned inkjet prints.

I've been using IJC/OPM for a while, and have just started to learn QTR as well so that I can assist my friends who have QTR. So far I haven't found a way of using a mask to do split tone printing, so I think that it has to be done via the individual ink curves. OPM allows you to specify two profiles and apply a mask to select which profile is used where, so you can do a split-toned print. You have to make the mask in Photoshop. I prefer to make a split-toned profile by adjusting the ink curves, so I don't use OPM's mask function very much. It's useful for quick-and-dirty split toning for proofing a particular look.

Best,
Helen

 

[wfe]

I use the QTR on an Epson 2200 with results that I am extremly satisfied with.


Cheers,
Bill

 

[donbga]

I use the QTR on an Epson 2200 with results that I am extremly satisfied with.


Cheers,
Bill

Hi Bill,

Have you made any of your own curves?

Don Bryant

 

[Joe Lipka]

Oh, dear. I recently downloaded the latest version 2.5.something and it looks consderably different than the 2.4.something version I had been using. Is there a document that shows the difference in the updates between the two versions?

I must confess my searches within the past couple of days have not been exhaustive and was wondering if someone had already found this information.

Don - I know Brooks has used QTR in the past, don't know if he is using it now. Also don't know for sure if he has made his own profiles.

 

[donbga]

Oh, dear. I recently downloaded the latest version 2.5.something and it looks consderably different than the 2.4.something version I had been using. Is there a document that shows the difference in the updates between the two versions?

I must confess my searches within the past couple of days have not been exhaustive and was wondering if someone had already found this information.

Don - I know Brooks has used QTR in the past, don't know if he is using it now. Also don't know for sure if he has made his own profiles.

Joe,

Are you using the PC or Mac version?

Don Bryant

 

[wfe]

Hi Bill,

Have you made any of your own curves?

Don Bryant

Don,
I have not made any curves. I like the results straight out of the box. I am pretty much a digital novice going through a learning curve.


Cheers,
Bill

 

[Joe Lipka]

Joe,

Are you using the PC or Mac version?

Don Bryant

I am firmly entrenched in the wintel camp. PC I am.

 

[donbga]

I am firmly entrenched in the wintel camp. PC I am.

Hi Joe,

I'm using the latest version of QTRgui also and the interface has been restructured but still works the same as far as I can tell. The biggest change that I've noticed is the linearization tab now allows for 60 input values though one can use less than that.

Don Bryant

 

[wfe]

Don,
I have not made any curves. I like the results straight out of the box. I am pretty much a digital novice going through a learning curve.


Cheers,
Bill

Don,
I forgot to ask if you have made any curves? If so how tricky is it and is it worth the effort?


Cheers,
Bill

 

[donbga]

Don,
I forgot to ask if you have made any curves? If so how tricky is it and is it worth the effort?


Cheers,
Bill

Bill,

I attempted to make my own curve a good while back but my results were quite lacking. I followed the user guide to the letter (at least as far as I know). I was testing on Red River Polar matt so I could print some long panos. In the end I used an existing progile and tweaked it through QTRgui and finally got nice results by trial and error.

I'll also interested in building toner curves to create some split toned curves. Similar to what Linda Butler's work looks like in her book on Italy, if you are familiar with that.

Best regards,

Don Bryant

 

[wfe]

Bill,

I attempted to make my own curve a good while back but my results were quite lacking. I followed the user guide to the letter (at least as far as I know). I was testing on Red River Polar matt so I could print some long panos. In the end I used an existing progile and tweaked it through QTRgui and finally got nice results by trial and error.

I'll also interested in building toner curves to create some split toned curves. Similar to what Linda Butler's work looks like in her book on Italy, if you are familiar with that.

Best regards,

Don Bryant

Don,
Linda has some wonderful work. I would probably have a go at doing something like that in Photoshop as opposed to curves in the printing process. I recently digitally reproduced a lith print that was originally made in the darkroom strictly in Photoshop from a scanned negative. It is amazingly close to the original print. If I can remmber I'll post it here as it is a Hybrid.

Cheers,
Bill

 

[kejack]

Just curious to hear from those of you that are using Quad Tone RIP to make monochrome inkjet prints.

Thanks,

Don Bryant

For about the past five or six months I've been using QTR along with Cone's K7 split-tone inkset to print on HPR, and the prints have been gorgeous, with long, clear tonality. However, unless I apply a lightening curve in PS, the prints come out just a little darker than I intend. I assume that's because the Hahnemuhle profile included with QTR is not quite spot on. At this point I don't have the wherewithal to make my own profiles, so for now I have to use that workaround.

Now lately I've tried printing a series of images using QTR with the K7 sepia inkset, and the prints look bad, with the higher midtones crapping out where they grade into the highlights, posterized and grainy, just crappy. I've gone through a good bit of expensive ink and 308 gram HPR, and tried my workaround to no avail. So for now I've forsaken using that combination of ink and paper, and gone back to the split tone inkset.

cheers,
Ken

 

[RalphLambrecht]

Hi Keith,

Please keep us updated with your results of using QTR to make digital negatives for platinum printing.

As for using QTR for inkjet printing I'm interested hearing what experiences others have had with the RIP.

Best,

Don Bryant

never used it; never understood why anyone wanted to; maybe, I'm missing out on something but;I'm happy with what I'm getting from my regular epson 3880 driver; why mess with it?

 

[faberryman]

I use QuadToneRIP for creating digital negatives for PtPd printing, but use PS for printing straight black and white and color prints. I too use the Epson 3880.