Which manual focus normal Nikon F-mount lens?

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Hi all!

I'm trying to figure out which 50 mm (or thereabouts) manual focus lens I should get (Nikon F-mount). I've been looking at the 50 mm 1.8 pancake, the 50 mm 1.2, and the 55 mm 1.2 - all for various reasons.

I guess I'm curious to know how big the difference in output will be between these lenses (shooting analog).

If you have any opinion and experience shooting these lenses (or other ones for that matter - in this range) I'm keen to know.

Cheers
Peter
 

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Hi all!

I'm trying to figure out which 50 mm (or thereabouts) manual focus lens I should get (Nikon F-mount). I've been looking at the 50 mm 1.8 pancake, the 50 mm 1.2, and the 55 mm 1.2 - all for various reasons.

And what are these various reasons ?
F/1.2 , f/1.4 , f/1.8 ( or f/1.7?) and f/2 lenses are available.
Stopped down to f/8 , their all very sharp .
Or do you plan on shooting at f/1.2 a lot ?
In which case , the f/2 won't do that .

I guess I'm curious to know how big the difference in output will be between these lenses (shooting analog).

Do a search on Flickr for sample images of the lenses your interested in .
There's groups for all .
If the f/2 produces the images you like , save your money and get one of them over the f/1.2 .

Shooting at f/1.2 , not a lot will be in focus , not necessarily a good thing. Image separation is one thing , but you still need sufficient to be in focus DOF wise , otherwise it just looks like a badly focussed image.


If you have any opinion and experience shooting these lenses (or other ones for that matter - in this range) I'm keen to know.

Cheers
Peter

I've several Nikon 50mm lenses f/1.4- f/2 plus a macro , all produce good images .
If I look at the pictures taken , I couldn't tell you which took which .

The series E 50mm I tend to use on smaller , lighter cameras , a f/1.4 is my usual on such as my F3 , and I have an older f/2 ( iirc) that seems to have less contrast , slightly muted colours etc probably due to less effective coatings .
I'll use that when I want this style , usually when I'm shooting colour film .
Typically I use the newer lenses when shooting black and white .
I typically use the f/1.8 AF/d on AF cameras .

For colour photography I tend to use digital , unless shooting medium format .

Unless you state what your usage and needs are , and maybe provide links to the sort of image you want to produce , it'll be hard for anyone to give meaningful advice to choose one lens over another .

I'm often tempted to get an f/1.2 lens myself , but it'd be vary rare that I'd use it wide open .
In which case it'll not be doing anything my other lenses don't do .
 
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If you're considering the older non-AI lenses, there are a pile of 50s available for around $50 just now at UsedPhotoPro. In my experience, their "Good" rated stuff is typically closer to Excellent. (Check out their other classic non-Ai Nikkors too - the 28/3.5, 55/3.5 Micro, 135/2.8 - at nice prices.) It's pretty hard to go wrong with either the uber-classic f/2 or f/1.4:

 

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You haven't been paying attention, right? You want the Zeiss Otus 55/1.4.



You never specified what you are looking for in a lens. On film, for a standard lens that would live on a camera most of the time, personally I would pick a lens with minimal distortion, at least f2 and small. I had a beautiful 50/1.2 AIS, horrible distortion. So, I now use a cheap Nikkkor-H 50/2 on my Nikkormat and 50/1.8D on my F80.

I'm pretty sure I'd also like Zeiss 50/2 Makro because it actually looks to be a very good lens and brings something that you can actually notice in your pictures - close focusing (if you are interested in that at all, of course).
 
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The 1.8 is appealing due to its size - its also said to be sharp. The 50 1.2 is apparently the sharpest at f2. But how much sharper its is then the 1.8 I do not know. The 55 is appealing du to its slightly longer focal length - I was also hoping it could be quite sharp on the larger apertures. 1.2 might be convenient compared to 1.8 at times but this isnt really that important. So - size is important, but so is sharpness.
 

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The 1.2 was popular in the 70s when available light photography was the rage, sort of a reaction the flash all the time that was used by press photographers in the 50s and 60. Before I switched to Nikon I had a Konica T with a 55 1.2, but shot most of the time with the 50 1.7. I got a f 50 1.4 for my Nikon, I thought it was a good compromise not as heavy as the 1.2 fast enough to be useful in low light. If you don't shoot in low light I would save the money and get a 1.8 or 2.0.
 

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Micro Nikor 55 is the best 50ish lens I have. I have the f/3.5 and it's a little fungy but it's still the best 55mm I own.
 

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50mm 1.4. Nice bright viewfinder. 50mm 1.8 for economy, great sharp. Whatever you buy get a nice example, mint.
 

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I'm with Cholentpot. The Micro-Nikkor is not only fine lens for ordinary photography, but it opens up the fascinating world of macro photography.
 
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The 1.8 is appealing due to its size - its also said to be sharp.

Yupp, it is quite sharp. Stopped down. Not so much at open aperture and f2. And wide open also the contrast is significantly lower. But that is valid for all these double Gauss type 50mm primes designed at that era.

But concerning the size I highly recommend to look at the following fact:
At first sight it looks very compact in its "pancake" like design. But that is without a lens hood. And a lens hood is really recommended with this lens, as the front element is so far at the top front, without any shading and protection.
So both from the point of avoiding flare (and these older design lenses are all much more prone to flare compared to modern type lenses), and from the point of avoiding scratches or general mechanical damages of the front element it is better to use such a lens with a lens hood. But then of course also the "pancake" size is changed.

From my long term experience and test results with this pancake design and the Nikkor 1.8/50 AI-S "long-barrel" the latter is overall the better lens:
- even slightly better performance
- front element is recessed and therefore better protected
- still a very, very compact lens.

It is still so compact that I can carry my FM, FA or FE2 with it under most of my coats / jackets on an outside walk.

The 50 1.2 is apparently the sharpest at f2. But how much sharper its is then the 1.8 I do not know.

Yes, it is sharper at f2. But that is also the case with the Nikkor 1.4/50 AI-S. As others have already correctly explained, focussing at f1.2 is not so easy as the DOF is so thin.
The Nikkor 1.2/55, 1.2/50 and 1.4/50 have more distortion than the 1.8/50 Nikkor lenses.

The 55 is appealing du to its slightly longer focal length - I was also hoping it could be quite sharp on the larger apertures.

Wether 50mm or 55mm focal length - its does not really matter. The difference is negligible, and you can get the same results just by moving a little bit.
The later 1.2 / 50mm is optically the better, improved lens compared to the older 55mm.

1.2 might be convenient compared to 1.8 at times but this isnt really that important. So - size is important, but so is sharpness.

You cannot fool physics: If you want a really very compact SLR lens, you have to made compromises: Either in optical performance, or in Lichtstärke = max. aperture / speed.

But fortunately there are more options as the mentioned lenses above:
1. Zeiss Milvus Makro-Planar 2/50 ZF.2 (or its forerunner Zeiss Makro-Planar 2/50 ZF / ZF.2 classic; it is optically identical to the Milvus, but the Milvus has the improved barrel / housing with wheater- and dust-sealing and rubber on the focus ring - which is a real improvement at cold temperatures).

I am using the Zeiss Makro-Planar ZF meanwhile for more than 15 years. Have taken thousands of pictures with it. It is by far the best manual focus f2 50mm lens for the Nikon F mount available.
At open aperture of f2 it is even visibly better than the 1.4/50 Nikkor stopped down to f2 (better sharpness, resolution and contrast, significantly lower distortion - almost distortion-free).
The Zeiss Makro-Planar surpasses the 1.8/50 Nikkor lenses at all aperture in sharpness, resolution and contrast.
It also has a nicer, smoother bokeh and a better separation of the focussed detail to the unsharp surrounding ("3D-Pop").
Better flare control and a very nice, satured, warmer colour transmission compared to the Nikkors are further advantages.
As well as the much better mechanical quality, especially with the latest Milvus version.

And there is one important difference to other Makro lenses: Other Makros are often only optimised for close ranges, and are not so good at longer distances and infinity.
Not so the Zeiss Makro-Planar 2/50: It delivers excellent performance at all distances. Therefore it is an excellent all-round lens. When you are out in the fields you don't need an extra Makro lens if you see something small and interesting: You have an excellent one already built-in your normal 50mm standard prime.

The Zeiss Makro-Planar is a bit bigger and heavier than the 1.4 and 1.8 50mm Nikkor lenses. But that is no problem at all, as the lens is very well balanced on all Nikon bodies.
And it is much more compact and lighter than the combination of a standard 50mm Nikkor + Makro lens.

At f2 the Zeiss has stronger vignetting than the Nikkors. But for me personally no problem: I use it as often as an artistic tool to emphasize the main subject even more (e.g. with colour reversal film).
When doing optical prints it is also no problem at all, as you can easily reduce it with a vignette pattern / gauge. In a hybrid workflow it can also be reduced if wanted / needed.

2. Zeiss Milvus Distagon 1.4/50 ZF.2:
That is even surpassing the Zeiss Makro-Planar optically in most parameters, with an excellent performance already at open aperture, and significantly surpassing the Makro-Planar at f2 and f2.8.
Further stopped down the Distagon offers a more even performance acros the whole frame, so even better edge sharpness and resolution as the Makro Planar. Coma is also much lower.
But as there is never a free lunch in life: You pay for this even further improved quality with an increase in size and weight. For me no problem, as also the Distagon remains very well balanced on my most used Nikon film bodies (F6, F5, F4s, F100, F90x).

So, as you have written that for you "size is important, but so is sharpness" my recommendations based on my test results and long-term experience with these lenses are:
1. Zeiss Milvus Makro-Planar 2/50 ZF.2 (or its forerunner in the classic version) as the optimal compromise of performance to size.
2. Nikkor 1.8/50 AI-S long-barrel or Nikkor 1.4/50 AI-S if the wallet is empty and you are on a budget.

Best regards,
Henning
 

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Which body are you going to use it with? This to determin if the pre AI or AI lenses are better suited.
For me the choices are the 50mm f/1.4 or 50mm f/2. I don't like the in between stops of f/1.8 and f/1.2.
 

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There are merits in all Nikon 50mm lenses, there is no snob value in choosing one above another unless the extremes of price make them 'better'. Personally I'd start with a 50mm f/1.8, and if you wanted to push the boat out research and get the 'Japan' closer focus version, but otherwise lens performance is the same. They are cheap, and perform incredibly well. You then have a datum point and if the itch still needs scratching you can explore all the other 50mm's with a comparison lens that is known to be excellent. Keep it simple.
 

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I picked up an Ai-s 85mm f1.4. I slapped it on a digital Nikon DSLR. Even though this lens is at least 30 years old the results are amazing. These old Nikon lenses are fun and cheap.
 
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I have a Nikon 50mm f1.8 Series E that has always surprised me. Think a member here gave it to me for $6 shipping? Doesn't have that wonderful tactile feel the more expensive lenses posses but it takes great photos.
 
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Thanks for the feedback guys - its indeed helpful
 

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I have an older f/2 ( iirc) that seems to have less contrast , slightly muted colours etc probably due to less effective coatings .

You must have the H Auto. The H.C/Ai version is the contrast champ (between f/4 & f/11), with the most accurate color rendering.

Are you using the proper lens hood?
 

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A Nikon F or F2 with pancake lens makes a nice comfortable package to carry around, always ready for action.
 

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You must have the H Auto. The H.C/Ai version is the contrast champ (between f/4 & f/11), with the most accurate color rendering.

Are you using the proper lens hood?

You could well be right on both points .

I'll have to check .
Don't get me wrong , I like the lens .
But having a few lenses , I like this one for the results how I use it , for other films such as B&W and IR , there's other lenses I prefer .

I will check to see how it performs with a proper hood though .
 

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Having had access to- and having used many Nikon Ai and Ai-S lenses over the years my winners are:

The 1.4 Club: 35mm, 50mm, and 85mm f/1.4 are all spectacular performers, but none of them shine wide open. The 85mm f/1.4 is great wide open because it's a little soft and really nice for portraits.

Honorable mentions - lenses I own and use, just not as often:

20mm f/2.8 Ai-S - The field of view is breathtaking
24mm f/2.8 Ai-S - A classic
105mm f/2.5 Ai-S - Another classic
180mm f/2.8 Ai - Another ridiculously sharp Nikon lens

I use all the above on both film bodies and a D750. I am never disappointed.
 
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