Which film scans better, slide or color print film?

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The title pretty much says it all.

For those that scan both color print and slide film, which scans better for you? If color print films completely disappear, are you ok with just using slide film?

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I can't say that I've noticed any particular difference re: scanning different film stocks. Slide film has a reputation for being more difficult than color negative, as you allude, but I wonder if that isn't more because of the higher contrast range that many slide films exhibit than anything more fundamental within the emulsion. That reputation notwithstanding, I haven't had any great difficulty getting good scans from slides.

Generally, for color, I prefer slide film to color negative. Always have.
 

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The title pretty much says it all.-Rob


Well, not exactly. it depends on the scanner, and the software used to remove the mask. Most drum scanners can handle either very well. They are sensitive enough to get every bit of the color range out of the negative....

It's easier to match the colors of a slide, as you have an example right there... but either film works well. The EktaColor negative also has grain that is much tighter than the older versions, and is a good mix.

However, many lesser scanners don't handle negative well...
 

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Portra negative film scans very well but the colors are toned down and excellent for people shots. Flesh tones are great. However, since I shoot mainly landscapes and like more pop, I use Velvia 50. Ektar 100 negative color is high color as well. However, I find it troublesome to scan to get the colors right and I do better with Velvia. I also like seeing immediately with slide film which was exposed right. With negative film, you're not sure until you scan and then you're still not sure because of the editing that's done in post processing. Slides tell you right away.

You should try a roll of a few different types and see what you like. Did you ever go to a restaurant recommended by a friend and couldn't stand the food?
 
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Thanks for the replies.

I mostly shoot B&W but mostly shoot color on vacation. I did a little test before my last vacation testing Ektar against Portra. I like the subdued tones from the Portra better, relative to the Ektar. I'm having a really hard time scanning these latest rolls of Portra. I'm not sure if it is the film or something I am doing wrong with Vuescan, but scans have a definite bluish cast to them. I don't recall having this issue before and it's driving me a little mad, which prompted my original question. I also used a different developing house, so maybe there are some issues there. I think I try some slide film again.

Any recommendations on a slide film that is a little less saturated than Velvia, more like E100?

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The problem you're having with negative color film is one of the reason I like slide film. You can see what you got immediately. One thing I sometimes do when I shoot negative film. I have the lab provide a contact sheet ($10) and ask them to print normal. That gives me something to start with especially because I bracket my shots.

Regarding less intense slide film, see APUG. There have been discussions about that there.
 
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Thanks Alan. I bought some Provia in 120 as it is reported to be less saturated than Velvia and reportedly has slightly more latitude.
 

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I have the same issue with all C-41 films, they just seem to scan with the color cast that is unpleasant sometimes, it's very random, but I have never had problems with a properly exposed E-6 image.

So I'm like Alan I like Velvia50 for landscapes. I never have a problem scanning it unless it's not exposed right, which isn't the scanners fault.

I shoot Velvia50 for all my landscapes in 120, 4x5, and 8x10 (I started a group buy from Japan to import the 4x5 and 8x10 which is still made, just only for the Japanese market).

For people I shoot Provia100f.

For SOME model work I might shoot portra in 35mm or 120 if I'm trying for more dynamic range of light in the exposure, but I have the lab scan it, I have too much trouble scanning and getting accurate colors.

B&W scans fine.
 
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I'm not sure if it is the film or something I am doing wrong with Vuescan, but scans have a definite bluish cast to them.

I went back and scanned some older Fuji NPH400 negative material and it scanned fine. I use the "Lock exposure" and "Lock film base color" method in Vuescan for removing the orange mask, which has always worked fine in the past. This leads me to believe it was either and issue with the film (Portra 400, unlikely), processing (more likely), or passing carry-ons through multiple X-Ray machines (I've heard mix stories about this affecting film.)

I now have some fresh Portra 160 and some Provia. I also ordered C-41 and E-6 kits. What prompted me to start developing B&W at home was cost and issues with processors. Now I'm going to try processing C-41 and E-6 at home too.

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There are several different aspects of this question. I would say slide film scans "easier", but not necessarily "better". There is unquestionably less grain in most slide film (I mainly shoot Provia 100F for slide and can't see anything like grain at 2400 ppi on a flatbed). It's also easy to get colour balance close to what you want right off the scanner with slide film. Several have commented that you have the slide right there as a colour reference. That's true, but then the colour on the slide might not be the target you seek. For example, you may have shot daylight slide film in shade without colour correction filters on the camera and there will be a blue-green cast to the image on the slide. So generally speaking, the colour balance right off the scan is 'close', but not necessarily perfect without some tweaking later in Photoshop. The high output dynamic range (density) of a slide is nice in that grain is minimized (you won't be adding contrast in Photoshop later), but then there could be more noise in the deep shadows with cheap scanners, and there may be a loss of detail in the shadows and/or highlights due to the initial exposure if the scene was too contrasty for the film in the first place. For this last reason, I generally don't shoot slide film anymore in bright sun. I consider it a specialty media for colourful flowers in shade. And to be perfectly frank, I also shoot slide film for the personal "wow" factor when I get the slides back and hold them up to the light.

Colour negative films are more difficult to scan, as the colour balance right off the scanner can be all over the place depending on the scanner's software and how it deals with the mask, but even cheap scanners can be easily set up to capture all the information, and then you can tweak the colour and contrast later in Photoshop. I tried Ektar, and the grain is incredibly small, almost as good as Provia, but I admit it's hard to tweak the colour later. Reds go incredibly saturated and may be hard to tone down, while shadows go blue, which is really there, but the film emphasizes it. For this reason, I like Portra 160 as my all around film for most subjects. The grain is pretty small, and I usually can get the colours right just be playing with the black and white points of each colour in Photoshop after scanning, without even shaping the curves. I even have made some fairly contrasty and punchy coloured images with Portra by using Photoshop. The negative has all the information. I may not end up with an image looking much like the traditional analogue print from Portra, but as an analogue "raw" format you can work with, it's hard to beat Portra.

I once tried the same flower macro with Provia 100F and then again with Portra. It was possible (with some difficulty) to manipulate them to look about the same.
 
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