Which 4x5 developing tank Combi-Plan or Standard Kodak ?

gphoto120 · Sep 4, 2006

I'm just beginning 4x5 format and need to buy dev tanks and hangers. Does anyone have an opinion on the Combi-Plan system vs. the open tank w/ hanger type system ?
Thanks,
Gphoto120

mark · Sep 4, 2006

I find the COmbi-Plan tank to be very convenient. SOme folks have issues with it but I have had nothing but success. I can't comment on the open tank, as I have no place dark enough to use one, so never tried it.

raucousimages · Sep 4, 2006

My 4X5 is all in open Yankee tanks. 8X10 is in trays or various stainless steel tanks. Open tank is simple and works well. I have tried other methods but I came back to tanks.

JBrunner · Sep 4, 2006

Here is my assessment of the combiplan from a previous thread on 4x5 developing. There are a bunch of threads about the HP tank you can search up, that give varying opinions.

"After mucking about with trays and tubes for 4x5 developing, I finally settled on the HP combi tank. I like being able to do six sheets at a time, and I like that it is procedurally similar to developing roll film. It takes some practice to load. After you load it you must run your fingers around the edge (like tupperware) to make sure it is sealed. Even then it may leak a little, so its best in a sink or tray.When filling you must make sure the air valve is all the way open, or it will take too long to fill up. I have read complaints regarding both these issues, and in large part I solved them, with the previously mentioned actions.

Some people do absolutely hate this tank,
but once I got used to the quirks, it became my friend. It is particularly good for stand development, as once it is loaded, you get to work in the light.

For 8x10 I use tray development, because it is simple, and I tend to shoot many fewer sheets when I use the 8x10, and that is most of the time."

Roger Hicks · Sep 4, 2006

I prefer to do only 4 sheets in a Combi-Plan rack (I have a Nova hand line that uses Combi-Plan hangers) but I have done 6 often enough without problems -- and that's E6.

Cheers,

Roger (www.rogerandfrances.com)

Ian Grant · Sep 4, 2006

Well I posted for a 2nd 5x4 tank in the classifieds, and got my second JOBO 2000 with 2 5x4 reels.

I've not that much experience as I only got my first new in about 1977, but so easy to load, it's just like processing 35mm or 120 film, and I can process 6 or 12 per load 1 or 2 spirals.

Oh and great for E6 too . . . . . .

Ian

papagene · Sep 4, 2006

Another vote for the HP Combi tank... been using one since about 1991. I have always had good results from it.

gene

Papa Tango · Sep 4, 2006

And the winner is...

The Combi wins hands down. It has a little learning curve, but once you have it, the results are consistent. There are several threads here in the forum on this tank. Those who have problems usually are doing something that is easily remedied by setting and following a protocol based on the practices shown here. After five years with one and hundreds of tankloads of six each, I have never had a single problem.

Jim Fitzgerald · Sep 5, 2006

I just finished developing some Efke 4x5 PL 25 in Kodak tanks. I use pyrocat hd 1:1:100 and the negs came out great. No scratches but I only did 4 at a time. still they came out perfect. Even got some great negs with a $ 11.00 1880's lens!
Has anyone tried dip and dunk for semi,minimal agitation?

Jim

Mark Fisher · Sep 5, 2006

I like my combi-plan. It takes a little practice to make sure that the sheets are loaded properly, but I've never managed to ruin a sheet (that way!). I use it a bit differently than most people I suspect, though. For developer, I use it with the lid on. When it is done developing, I turn off the lights, open the tank, pour out the developer, pour in water, agitate for a minute or so, pour out the water then pour in the fix, and agitate for 3 or 4 minutes. Then I can turn on the lights and finish fixing. The reason I do this is that it takes a long time to get chemicals in and out of the tank. I suppose that it would not be a problem with reasonably long development times and being consistant in exactly how you do it. Myself, I don't mind spending 5 minutes or so in the dark.

Papa Tango · Sep 5, 2006

Open Combi

As Mark said, in the dark these tanks work well with dip & dunk. Some use two or three additional tank bodies and just carry the process straight through without changing solutions. This would work really great with another holder, as a second run of similar or different film could be started while the first is lounging in the fix or wash...

tchamber · Sep 5, 2006

I'd second the recommendation to process four rather than six sheets at a time. (In fact, HP suggests this if your film is "important".) I'm incompetent enough to have ruined sheets by having them touch. This is pretty much impossible if you only load four sheets at a time.

BOSS565 · Sep 5, 2006

I also recommend the COmbi-Plan tank. It is simple to use. Practice filling and emptying before you actually load any film. Then you will get the hang of it, know how much time it takes to fill and empty and know exactly how much chemisty you need. Good luck. Have fun.

Travis Nunn · Sep 12, 2006

I just developed my first 4x5's. I chose to go with the Combiplan because the method is the same, essentially, to developing roll film. The negatives turned out fine but man that thing leaks like crazy! I had to change agitation from inversion to side to side because it was leaking too much developer. I checked several times after loading the film to make sure the lid was on tight, and it was. After I saw how much it leaked, I checked it again and it was on as tight as it would go. Is this normal?

JBrunner · Sep 12, 2006

t_nunn said:
I just developed my first 4x5's. I chose to go with the Combiplan because the method is the same, essentially, to developing roll film. The negatives turned out fine but man that thing leaks like crazy! I had to change agitation from inversion to side to side because it was leaking too much developer. I checked several times after loading the film to make sure the lid was on tight, and it was. After I saw how much it leaked, I checked it again and it was on as tight as it would go. Is this normal?

Seal it like you would a tupperware container, by pinching the edge, and running your fingers around it. Mine leakes less and less with use, so there may be a bit of a breaking in period. It is a flaw with the combiplan, no doubt. It shouldn't leak at all, from the getgo, but most of them seem to, by reports.

haziz · Sep 12, 2006

Combi-plan for me

It's Combi-plan for me. I get consistent even development developing 6 sheets at a time. I do pour the chemistry in and out via the tank spouts and have had no problems with the 4 tanks I have; no leakage either. I just wish the system can do more than 6 at a time (I do realize that some do 12 by doing sheets back to back, I never have).

Sincerely,

Hany.

djkloss · Sep 12, 2006

Jim Fitzgerald said:
Has anyone tried dip and dunk for semi,minimal agitation?

Jim

I did last night. I used a couple of Kodak 5x7 tanks to do eight 4x5 negs. But that might be another thread. I'll post the negatives as soon as I get them scanned.

Dorothy

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