Where to get a syringe for HC110?

Phillip P. Dimor · Apr 12, 2008

PE, thanks for the correction and clarification. It is the luer tip. Sticking a hose on a catheter or canula tip would be tough. I've tried using a lab pipette with hc110 and it was a miserable failure (try getting the maple syrup out of your nice labware..)

There are also these BBQ Flavor Injector Syringes that we have in the grocery store. These are 60ml canons with a gigantic metal needle. While they are usually marked in ounces, you could recalibrate it to cc's/ml's with an indelible marker.

MattKing · Apr 12, 2008

Phillip P. Dimor said:
PE, thanks for the correction and clarification. It is the luer tip. Sticking a hose on a catheter or canula tip would be tough. I've tried using a lab pipette with hc110 and it was a miserable failure (try getting the maple syrup out of your nice labware..)

There are also these BBQ Flavor Injector Syringes that we have in the grocery store. These are 60ml canons with a gigantic metal needle. While they are usually marked in ounces, you could recalibrate it to cc's/ml's with an indelible marker.

If you buy one of these in Canada, they have both metric and ounce markings.

They aren't perfect though, because I think that most of them aren't designed for anything as viscous as HC110.

I've always wondered why someone doesn't come out with a pump that would screw on to the top of the HC110 bottle, much like the hand soap dispensers.

Personally, I make small quantities of stock and use an old 16 oz HC110 bottle to store it. If some of my stock goes bad because of non-use, it is no great disaster.

Matt

Phillip P. Dimor · Apr 12, 2008

Southeastern US barbecue sauce can be pretty thick but yes, you may have a point about hc110 being too viscous for the needle. The one I have is close to 1.5mm in diameter with two exit holes, one on the very end and one on the side of the tip. I think i'll give it a try and report back just to make sure.

Akki14 · Apr 12, 2008

David Brown said:
"needless"?

Sorry for replying to a post at 8AM on a Saturday after being woken up by annoying bed delivery people for the flat next door :rolleyes:

richard ide · Apr 12, 2008

Lee Valley Tools sell syringes for glue. A set comes with 3 sizes of needles. There is also one with a curved plastic tip.

Jordan · Apr 12, 2008

Andrey, Shoppers Drug Mart carries them. They are generally in the pharmacy area near the foam earplugs, anti-nausea bracelets, etc.

gphoto120 · Apr 13, 2008

I get them free at the pharmacy, no needle.... the type for more viscous solutions. Also, I use aquarium airline tubing that fits perfectly for an extension if needed to reach the bottom of the bottle of any liquid dev. concentrate.

David Brown · Apr 13, 2008

Akki14 said:
Sorry for replying to a post at 8AM on a Saturday after being woken up by annoying bed delivery people for the flat next door :rolleyes:

Sorry, Heather! Just some needless needling ...

Absinthe · Apr 14, 2008

We have a store here called "Tractor Supply" and I assume you would also have similar "Southern States" or "Agway" and such that sell stuff for farms and such. They will sell you both needles and syringes.

If you go to a gourmet food shop you can also buy syinges and needles (without sharp points) for injecting broth into chicken and other meats.

In a sporting goods store, they sell needles and syringes (usually blunt needle) for injecting an air bubble into a worm (for some reason that escapes me)

If you search the internet, there are a pile of places that sell them. try SterileSyringes.com or http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=280

Murray@uptowngallery · Apr 14, 2008

I was too lazy to read all 4 page, but someone gave me the suggestion to drop a glass bead or marble into the bottle after extracting a small quantity to displace the air. Keeps the level high also for ease of access. Bottle gets heavier over time, however.

I wondered if marbles all have lead in them now :O(

Andrey · Apr 14, 2008

Murray@uptowngallery said:
I was too lazy to read all 4 page, but someone gave me the suggestion to drop a glass bead or marble into the bottle after extracting a small quantity to displace the air. Keeps the level high also for ease of access. Bottle gets heavier over time, however.

I wondered if marbles all have lead in them now :O(

What will you do when you have a bottle full of marbles AND developer? lol

gainer · Apr 15, 2008

I don't know what you guys are talking about. The syringes I get come with tapered stoppers that fit a wide range of bottle necks and have a hole for the nozzle, which then acts as a smaller stoper. I invert the botle (beer bottles are just right), draw out the plunger to fill the syringe to the mark I want, remove the syringe, squirt the contents into the working solution, and replace the stopper.

gainer · Apr 15, 2008

Andrey said:
What will you do when you have a bottle full of marbles AND developer? lol

That is normally to be desired. It's when you have a bottle full of marbles that you get PO'd.

yeknom02 · Feb 24, 2011

gainer said:
The syringes I get come with tapered stoppers that fit a wide range of bottle necks and have a hole for the nozzle, which then acts as a smaller stoper. I invert the botle (beer bottles are just right), draw out the plunger to fill the syringe to the mark I want, remove the syringe, squirt the contents into the working solution, and replace the stopper.

So where do you get these syringes and stoppers? I can't seem to find any...

archer · Feb 24, 2011

Most feed stores where they sell worming medicine for horses or sheep or a veterinarian that specializes in large animals and livestock, will sell you the large hypos with needles, for quantities up to 60cc. Taps Plastics also sell the smaller syringes, up to 20cc for using Trichlormethane for gluing Plexiglass.
Denise Libby

2F/2F · Feb 24, 2011

The needle is of no use. All you need is the syringe, which you should be able to get off the shelf at a drug store such as Rite Aid.

I find the use of stock solution to make better sense. Following the Kodak dilutions and development charts is a snap, and I feel more precise in my measurement. And I don't need to clean HC-110 goop out of a syringe every time I develop film. I only use syringes for small measurements of less viscous chemicals, for instance Photo Flo, Rodinal, or PMK pyro. HC-110 stock does not go bad if bottled, IME. However, I mix up small batches of it at a time. I keep two 8 oz. glass bottles full of it at most, and if they must be stored less than full, I never store them less than half full. IMHO, mixing up small batches of stock offers the best of both methods.

jmcd · Feb 24, 2011

2F/2F: However, I mix up small batches of it at a time. I keep two 8 oz. glass bottles full of it at most, and if they must be stored less than full, I never store them less than half full. IMHO, mixing up small batches of stock offers the best of both methods.

That's the method I have arrived at, also.

2F/2F · Feb 24, 2011

I have used 8 month old stock stored in a half full bottle, for pushing, no less, and the negs turned out totally normal. Shelf life is really not a concern except with the working solution, and I have even used week old working solution B with totally normal results.

ntenny · Feb 24, 2011

Needleless Monoject syringes are a very standard vet supply, cheap as dirt, pretty much unbreakable, and as far as I know not an "alert item" for the drug-enforcement folks. In addition to feed stores, they're sold by online vet-supply places (KV Vet is my personal favourite), although the shipping may make that uneconomical unless you also need some other vet supplies.

I think I use a 35cc for my HC-110 syrup---it fits in the neck of the bottle, although when it starts to run low I have to decant the last ounce or so of syrup into a small canning jar. (Helpful trick: Instead of stirring to mix, just suck up the developer into the syringe and flush it back out again, a few times over. The swirling mixes the developer nicely, it flushes the goop out of the syringe cleanly, and I guess it provides a little more accuracy of measurement since you don't have to guess how much syrup was left behind.)

-NT

jp498 · Feb 24, 2011

I bought a big bag of disposable pipettes on ebay to take care of my needs for measuring and dispensing a few ml at a time.

It's great for pyro stock, getting a few drops of photoflo, mixing up and dispensing cyanotype and vandyke coatings, putting draino gel on the back of fujiroids, the list goes on.

Monophoto · Feb 24, 2011

Three answers -

1. I bought a set of blunt-needled syringes at a computer show. They were intended for use in refilling ink-jet printer cartridges.

2. I also have a syringe that was intended for measuring and administering medications for infants. It was free at teh pharmacy - just asked the pharmacist.

3. But my experience is that even with calibrated syringes, the viscosity of the US version of HC-110 stock concentrate (the European version is different) is such that mixing from concentrate is not very accurate. That's ok for one processing session, but if you want consistency over a number of processing sessions, a better approach is to mix the stock solution (1:7). The stock solution will keep for months (years), and when it is further diluted to make a working solution, the results will be far more consistent. And that approach is easier than trying measure a precise but very small quantity of that very sticky concentrate.

Christopher Walrath · Feb 24, 2011

I'm sorry, Louie, but I disagree. Before mixing my one shot HC110 I bring the syrup up to 68F and have 68F tap running. I pour a few ounces of water into my 11 ounce cylinder. I then extricate 0.5 oz of syrup (what, 7.5mils IIRC) and then add that into the graduate. I then top off with water to eight ounces. I pour this into my 32 ounce cup and then add an additional eight ounces of water to bring my 16 ounce solution up. In doing so (and this is advised for those with little or no storage space like me) it frees up valuable room for toilet paper under the sink and it also serves to mix the HC110 by adding water into the syruped water twice and by also pouring it from one graduate to another.

And I have had consistent results. Well, as consistent results as a fume huffing redneck from Sussex County can legally have in a dark room. Yee HAW!!!!!

agfarapid · Feb 24, 2011

I'm sorry, but I fail to see what all the fuss with syringes is about. I've been using HC 110 for about 6 months now, and previously, was using Rodinal at 1:25 or 1:50 dilutions for many years. In either case I've measured the stock into a small graduate that is calibrated in cc's and oz's which I then poured into a 32 oz/ 1 liter graduate which I used for the working solution. I have had absolutely consistent results throughout. Admittedly, your measurement of the syrup must be very precise (holding the small graduate at eye level and carefully noting the demarcations) but at a 1:31 (dilution B) it's not all that difficult.

DWThomas · Feb 24, 2011

Around here, the CVS pharmacy chain (and probably others), has a little kit for measuring children's medicines. It has a 10 cc syringe and a stopper with a center hole that fits on the syringe and has a stepped taper to fit an assortment of bottles. (And as I recall, it's cheap -- maybe $3)

Gerald C Koch · Feb 24, 2011

zenrhino said:
Im curious about why would someone use syrup instead of making a stock solution? Lifespan of the concentrate? Idilute stock solution ask because Dil B with stock is 1:7 which is really convenient for measuring, IMHO. Not sure why anyone would mess with the syrup if they didn't have to.

Kodak gives a definite shelf life for the diluted stock solution. However, the concentrate itself will last for years without loss of activity.

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