Noah Huber said:"Right brain communication, threatening the State without words." - just to paraphrase the idea behind your post (sorry, this is an echo of a thread I read earlier about titles for forum threads... descriptives work best)
You may say something - and part of the magic is that you have no control over how that will be interpreted on the other end...
I guess I wasn't so much interested in the particulars of the origin of this quote, more that it makes you think a little. But thanks for the very insightful views on where such thinking came from in Germany, pre WWII.eumenius said:So the Goering quote shows the complete unacceptability of other Kulturs to the Third Reich Kultur, and not the particular aesthetic views - for example, poor Erich Salomon and Hitler's private photographer used the same techniques and lighting, the classical ones, but what fate did they achieve each?
And you're right about the subversive and non-verbal side of photography - that's where the magic lies
Cheers from Moscow,
Zhenya
rhphoto said:I guess I wasn't so much interested in the particulars of the origin of this quote, more that it makes you think a little. But thanks for the very insightful views on where such thinking came from in Germany, pre WWII.
eumenius said:Wenn Ich hoere Kultur... entsichere Ich meinen Browning
Alex Hawley said:HA! Goerring favored a pistol designed by an American over one built by Germany's Walther or Luger? A great many Brownings of many forms made a significant contribution to the Third Reich's demise.
rhphoto said:My theory is simply that what we respond to viscerally in photographs is processed on the right side of the brain, and as such transcends verbal or purely rational thought. Stieglitz developed an aesthetic called "equivalence" which meant that he desired to create in a photograph the "equivalent" of certain feelings or impressions. No words, no title, are involved - just the communication from the artist to the viewer, and utilizing only the non-verbal side of the brain. In this way, I think photography, and all art, is "subversive". This might go a long way to explaining the otherwise irrational response of law enforcement and such toward photographers setting up tripods. Something about people wanting to create pictures threatens the authorities.
rhphoto said:I think that one of the reasons art is so powerful, and hence so threatening to fascist regimes (where intellectuals and artists are the first to be rounded up), is because it reaches poeple in a way no other form of communication can.
M.
rfshootist said:Just remember the incredible disgusting public campaign against the first Impessionists in Paris beginning arond 1860, which lasted almost 30 years and made Impressionism beeing a banned art, also called "entartet" like the Nazis called all kind of art which did not contribute to the general mental and esthetical coma in those days.
Dan Fromm said:Oh, my.
Zhenya, if I were in the mood for bombast, I'd find a recording of A Soviet Artist's Reply To Just Criticism and play it. I believe I have one.
Gosplan's downfall, eh, Zhenya? Some very bright hungarians worked the math out, but their russian peers didn't have the means to reduce the ideas to practice. At the time there wasn't enough data acquisition, transmission, and processing capacity in the known universe. The closest thing to a Gosplan that actually works these days is Walmart, and Walmart doesn't work all that well.
mhv said:I swear I have a picture somehwhere of a poster from that era that advertise an upcoming show in which the superiority of "normal" art will be asserted by bringing such tableaux to an impressionist exhibition, and showing them side by side so that the "decadence" of the Impressionists will be made visible. I'll try to scan it when I have some time on my hands.
Fair questions, unfortunately.eumenius said:Uh-oh, am I mising something?Did I say a single word about both Soviet Artists and Gosplan?? Both topics are indeed huge, self-standing and nice to discuss, but what I am to do with these in this thread?
And the Russian peers of Hungarian brothers were quick to adopt things, as we know... at least in case of A-bombThe Gosplan idea was not as attractive, so it was a bit in shade
Zhenya
rfshootist said:I heard of it but have never seen it ...
Will S said:"Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism, from Hermann Goering's fondness for a phrase from a Hanns Johst play ("When I hear the word 'culture' I reach for my gun") to the frequent use of such expressions as "degenerate intellectuals," "eggheads," "effete snobs," and "universities are nests of reds.""
rhphoto said:This quote is attributed to Goering, the Nazi war criminal.
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