df cardwell said:And, ahem, the notion of "Ultra Large Format" is both redundant and silly. Unless one is describing a camera that is too big to be of practical use, there is no point in Ultra Describing It. "Large" signifies something ample and abundant; it can suggest something lavish or EXTRAVAGANT. A categorization for abundantly special cameras that are not merely AMPLE but "especially extravagant" is PRETENTIOUS.
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Marco Gilardetti said:....
Contact printing? Come on, a proof sheet is a contact print.
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JohnArs said:Large format is defined as 9x12cm and above in old books.
I had a Saab sonnet once, I'd tell you about it but you're probably notin the mood for a saab story.df cardwell said:And a sonnet is a poem.
John Koehrer said:I had a Saab sonnet once, I'd tell you about it but you're probably notin the mood for a saab story.
John Koehrer said:I had a Saab sonnet once, I'd tell you about it but you're probably notin the mood for a saab story.
Yeah... I agree. But it still doesn't answer the original question of... heck, what was the question? Oh yeah. When does LF become LF?Allen Friday said:"... When I say I use an 8x10 (part one of decription) View Camera (part two), people have a good idea of what I am using. If I say I am using a Hobo 8x10 point and shoot camera, people understand this is different from a view camera, but it is still large format..."
I believe most photo shops on the web do, too. B&H, Calumet, Adorama... I always thought that's what "format" referred to -- the format (size) of the negative. I always thought -- as Allen said -- that terms like "rangefinder," "SLR," and "GG" referred to types of viewing. That's not the same as format. But sheet film, roll film, and cannisters could also be considered "formats." It's confusing.Drew B. said:"... The US government (National Park Service-HABS) considers large format to begin at 4x5..."
Yup, this makes perfect sense to me. I'm confused too. Especially when my brother refers to 4x5 as "MF", yet he doesn't have anything bigger... except his ego. (Yes, I love him, but like most brothers he drives me CRAZY.) I'd take this abuse when using a roll film back, but not when using sheet film.bob01721 said:I believe most photo shops on the web do, too. B&H, Calumet, Adorama... I always thought that's what "format" referred to -- the format (size) of the negative. I always thought -- as Allen said -- that terms like "rangefinder," "SLR," and "GG" referred to types of viewing. That's not the same as format. But sheet film, roll film, and cannisters could also be considered "formats." It's confusing.
Maybe it's like that old definition of pornography -- I know it when I see it.
Photo Engineer said:Interesting discussion.
I have always been taught that the method of film handling is what describes the format.
For example, LF is sheet film of whatever size. All sheet films are generally processed by common means. MF is roll film on spools of some sort with paper backing of some sort, and 35mm is in the typical cassette. By this definition thought MF would then included 828 and 127 along with 616, 120 and 220 among others.
IDK if I agree with this way of thinking myself, but that is one school of thought that I have long accpeted without any real question as it seemed logical, but now I'm thinking it through.
Actually, in the 'really old days' there were really only two divisions, and that made more sense. There was LF and everything else. LF was sheet film and everything else was roll film. Even though MF cameras existed, they were classed as roll film cameras, but the 35mm were classed as miniatures. Sometimes they were classed as sub-miniatures, but then the 16 mm cameras came out.
Then, the asteroid hit the earth and all of the dinousaurs were killed and the present age of cameras started.
PE
25asa said:4500 square millimeters makes it large format.
52000 square millimeters makes it ultra large format.
Ole said:4500 square mm - that's 5x9 centimeters. An unusual point to pick - even 6x8 is larger. A 6.5x9cm negative is about 5800. Or do you mean "a tad more than 6x7"?
I can understand the other one - 8x10" and a sliver.
What do I call my 10x8 camera with it's 5x4 back in place into which I've put a roll-film adaptor? Has it magically turned into a MF camera? I've done this to shoot onto fast colour negative film, with a long lens (too long for my 5x4) whilst needing camera movements.Soeren said:Does a 6X6 or 6X7 e.g. Mamiya 67 change status from MF to LF when a polaroid back is mounted ?
Cheers Søren
markbb said:What do I call my 10x8 camera with it's 5x4 back in place into which I've put a roll-film adaptor? Has it magically turned into a MF camera? I've done this to shoot onto fast colour negative film, with a long lens (too long for my 5x4) whilst needing camera movements.
gnashings said:I once tried to buy a coffee. I asked the rocket scientist behind the counter for a large coffee, double-double. She replied that they don't have large - only small and medium... SNIP....
Peter.
markbb said:What do I call my 10x8 camera with it's 5x4 back in place into which I've put a roll-film adaptor? Has it magically turned into a MF camera? I've done this to shoot onto fast colour negative film, with a long lens (too long for my 5x4) whilst needing camera movements.
This is a family forum, pets may be watching.df cardwell said:Cue the drumroll..... ahem .... What do YOU call it ???
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