Im looking for a summicron or elmar 50mm for my M2.
Id prefer to stay away from lenses that may have fogging issues. Im assuming at some point in time the fogging issue was resolved. True?
If true, what serial number (date) should I look for to avoid lenses that may have, or might get, lens fog.
Thanks,
Mark
I’m looking for a summicron or elmar 50mm for my M2 I’d prefer to stay away from lenses that may have fogging issues.
I would stay away from 50's Leitz lenses ...
This thread subject sounds like one of those "When did you stop beating your wife?" questions.
What fogging?
Cheers, Paul.
Hi Paul.This thread subject sounds like one of those "When did you stop beating your wife?" questions.
What fogging?
Cheers, Paul.
Outgassing occurs with petroleum based greases mostly. The modern lythium based greases have a lot less of that.
Peter
I would stay away from 50's Leitz lenses - I have had lenses with the 'etched glass' problem - it still cost $100 to get them taken apart and cleaned to no avail. The problem is no recent discovery and has been known for (at a minimum) 20 years.
You may find a 50's Elmar/Summicron/etc. that doesn't exhibit etching but it is a matter of time and humidity until it does. Not all lenses used the glass formulations that were prone to etching but the early 50mm f3.5 and f2.8 Elmars were a real problem.
The 80's Summicron is probably the best buy if you want Leitz glass. I am rather blasé about Leitz optical performance: I can't honestly tell the difference between an 80's 50mm f2.0 Summicron and a comparable Nikkor - even with TechPan and a resolution target. There is nothing wrong with the Summicron, but just about all major 50mm f2.0 lenses are superb performers. OTOH, if I look at the build quality between a Summicron and a Nikkor (or any other modern lens) there is no contest: the Summicron wins by miles.
The advice to seek Cosina/"Voigtlander" lenses is good advice if you are going to use the camera for making photographs and are looking for the best bang for the buck.
It wasn't a lubricant problem. Only a minority of lenses suffered from it. And it was due to the glass formulation used. Early 50's Elmars were quite prone.
That isn't to say that Leitz lenses don't also have fog problems from lubricant and general atmospheric crud, as do all lenses.
The lubricant fog can be cleared away, the fog due to glass problems can't.
It seems most fog problems in Leitz lenses are due to lubricant and few people have seen the glass problem.
It wasn't a lubricant problem. Only a minority of lenses suffered from it. And it was due to the glass formulation used. Early 50's Elmars were quite prone.
That isn't to say that Leitz lenses don't also have fog problems from lubricant and general atmospheric crud, as do all lenses.
The lubricant fog can be cleared away, the fog due to glass problems can't.
It seems most fog problems in Leitz lenses are due to lubricant and few people have seen the glass problem.
Is there a way to tell the difference?
I would stay away from 50's Leitz lenses - I have had lenses with the 'etched glass' problem - it still cost $100 to get them taken apart and cleaned to no avail. The problem is no recent discovery and has been known for (at a minimum) 20 years.
You may find a 50's Elmar/Summicron/etc. that doesn't exhibit etching but it is a matter of time and humidity until it does. Not all lenses used the glass formulations that were prone to etching but the early 50mm f3.5 and f2.8 Elmars were a real problem.
The 80's Summicron is probably the best buy if you want Leitz glass. I am rather blasé about Leitz optical performance: I can't honestly tell the difference between an 80's 50mm f2.0 Summicron and a comparable Nikkor - even with TechPan and a resolution target. There is nothing wrong with the Summicron, but just about all major 50mm f2.0 lenses are superb performers. OTOH, if I look at the build quality between a Summicron and a Nikkor (or any other modern lens) there is no contest: the Summicron wins by miles.
The advice to seek Cosina/"Voigtlander" lenses is good advice if you are going to use the camera for making photographs and are looking for the best bang for the buck.
I agree with Nicholas fully.
One thing I would like to add: when you buy a used lens you don't know its history.
Leitz has been using the highest quality greases and lubricants over the years, expensive stuff, verry expensive and verry good.
If a lens needed a grease-change due to sand/grit and that was done by an independant repairman that didn't use the propper grease, you
will have a problem sooner or later.
Peter
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