To what end though. At least Leica has a digital or two, and teamed up with panasonic for their market. If a graflex company of some sort would been revised, I can't think of what they'd do to survive or compete, and not like Kodak would want to team up with them. No offense to the kodak lovers (I could care less bout their stuff lately aside from emulsions), but the last time kodak ever made a serious contender of a camera was the Kodak Ektra, or least their finest attempt at a camera.
This woz just a joke! Relax!
But if Graflex were to be reborn in their original place (here in Rochester), they could easily team up with Kodak.
I think the real money in optics isn't cameras but industrial imaging as well as so-called "electro-optics."
My wife is going back to school - she went to community college for 2 years, and now she is at a University. All paid for with loans. THis is how people do it here - and you can borrow enough to do it. And given 70% of the population have some form of higher education shows that the system certainly works in getting people educated. Rarely are financial considerations the main driver.
The so what is that the story is patently and identifiably false, just a string in the 'brown menace' charges we in the southwest have grown so accustomed to lately.There are people from other countries that do this - no lie. But again - so what.
The key word here is 'wife.' She's not a single parent, or even an individual who must pay for rent and sustenance and transportation on her own while financing and attending school. She's in an area with ready access to a community college and a university without transportation hardships (or being forced to relocate).
It also means that she's a reasonable candidate for loans - something an unmarried, high-school diploma'd woman (or man) without means might not be.
I'm not sure where you get that 70% of the population has some form of higher education - the national percentage of individuals who hold a bachelor's degree is around 25 to 27%.
Bromo you are reading the graph wrong. Its around 13 - 15% for someone holding a bachelor degree. About 30% for those with a High School Diploma or GED. If you scroll down you'll see the numbers themselves if you cant quite decipher the bar graph.
The way I see it:
Graduate and professional + Bachelors' + Associates + some college w/o degree = 50%+
So I am not sure what you are coming from, it appears you are discounting 'grad school', 'associates' and 'some college w/o degree.'
This is not a debate about formats. When a MF camera is produced that is as small as a Leica M, then "if you are serious you need to shoot MF+" would hold some water
What's the big deal about Leica? These days they are just another digicam maker (and not a very good one at that), so who gives a shit?
With Leica rangefinders? At or around $1000! I am a novice by all means (35mm SLR only) and am looking at trying out other cameras/formats. I apologize for the navitiy of my question. But what gives?
they are good cameras + lenses that hold their value with a cult following ( as you have been able to tell)
Obviously the big deal about Leica is that just asking the question generates 190 replies in this forum. Shall we try for 200?
So, whats the big deal about Leica?
Cheers
André
.....Leica shooters make the wide open shooting rendition as an advantage, now I ask, how often users shoot wide open?
I can`t really understand why someone wanting top quality would spend serious money on 35mm, for the outrageous sum of a Leica, I buy a bigger negative 6x7 size M7II.
Still an RF, top quality optics, bigger negative, portable, etc etc etc!
So, whats the big deal about Leica?
Cheers
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André
But we forget that an American plane, the Mustang, which was derived from the British Spitfire, is often called "the plane that won the war" because nothing the Germans had could keep up.
The P-51 Mustang was a completely original design, which suffered in early versions from the Allison engines that powered many American fighters. Refitting it with the Merlin used in many Spitfire marks resulted in a fighter with extraordinary range, a reliable powerplant, and fine performance. (I understand that it was not nearly as pleasant to fly as the Spitfire.) Saying the Mustang was derived from the Spitfire is as accurate as saying that the Hurricane was. Same powerplant, that's all.
Andre, in response to your posting, I think you miss the point: It would seem top quality to you would mean fine grain and the utmost detail. This is not the same for everyone and it is not always possible without tripod. For some top quality means 'being able or inclined' to get the shot in the first place. If you miss the shot on a bigger camera/format, youve got nothing, obviously. A grainer 35mm is obviously 'better quality' as it exists..... Tripods not exactly being practical for street/documentary photography..see the below scenarios, all of which are from experience.
Just some thoughts on RFs (as you suggest a Mamiya 7 for 'better quality' [results]). I can fit my Leica M (or any small 35mmRF) under my coat and a 4 lens kit in my pockets or in tiny belt pouches. I can walk about all day unencumbered. I can even carry a spare body (at just over an inch think) under my coat on a strap without noticing. Can you do this with a mamiya 7? - No. You need a camera bag over your shoulder or you have to leave lenses at home. How do you think this freedom from bags affects my mobility, freshness, enjoyment of a solid day (or days) on the street? The Mamiya 7 is most definetely not an under the coat camera, but an over the coat camera - do you ever get concerned walking about with it in full view for hour upon hour upon hour, sometimes in the same area (or do you put it in your case and miss opportunities?). The use of a second body means even more bulk for you - an even bigger bag. For me, another 500g under the coat on a strap - its no bother. I can put 50/100 speed in one and 800-1600 in another. Along with fast lenses, who will be more flexible in varying light (yes you can put fast film in the mamiya 7, but your lenses are slower so you still are, well, much slower). I also now have that slow film body to close the gap on your 800 iso now even in comparative terms....You are now really screwed if you come out into the light as you have 800 film loaded and only a 1/500 top speed!
I should not have mentioned WW2 warbirds should I?
Absolutely. The P51 airframe was in no way derived from the Spitfire. As for being the 'fighter that won the war' I think this is more because of incredible range rather than speed or maneoverability. It was a fine fighter, but the various marks of FW190 were as good if not better in a dogfight. The briliance of the P51(D) was that it could get there and back with the bombers with something approaching parity even in a dogfight. A heck of an achievement.
Your post in many respects answers the question of 'why is there no clear answer?". The closest you can find is a Mamiya 7 which is a totally different type of camera compared to a Leica M!
Compare Leica Ms to Voigtlanders or Z1s by all means but you suggest anyone who wants 'top quality' has to ditch 35mm!!!! Of course the Mamiya 7 wins hands down on image quality alone, [...]
If you understand street shooting you would know that a lot of the best of that genre would never have happened had the Henri CB's of this world been toting about Mamiya 7s....
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