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sarahfoto

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Hmmm...this is Foma 400 film developed in T-max developer, together with an Adox film in the same can. Only the Foma came out with these "stripes". Can't see any dried water marks on it so it seems to be in the filmbase. It was very foggy when I shot it, can it be that the film got moist? Any other ideas are welcomed!
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Some unevenness done, during the photo process somewhere, thats what happened!! prob not much help to you thou.
 

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This could be uneven development if the film wasn't having the benefit of agitation, i.e. either the film was 'sandwiched' too close so that developer wasn't refreshing during agitation or there wasn't enough air space in the tank for agitation to occur. I know you said the Adox was ok ,but it may have developed despite possible unfavourable circumstances for the Foma. What format of film was it, is all of the Foma affected equally, and what tank/method were you using ? My answer may be off the mark, so the more details the better.
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Looks like uneven development to me, are the stripes on all the negatives, only on this one or on a few frames,? also it looks like a MF film, is it ? I would say, at a guess without further information that it is something to do with the agitation, that the film is not getting refreshed properly, something that I have found the Fomapan MF can be sensitive to, also, it does not always like being developed with different brand films, I have tried developing a roll of Fomapan with a roll of HP5 and had problems with the fomapan, where I have developed 2 of fomapan together no problems,
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It looks to uniform to be uneven development - which tends to be rather more patchy and irregular in shape

It could be chemical carry over from a slightly dirty reel ?

Cleanliness is one of the bedrocks of photography

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It is 120 film developed for 6,5 minutes, agitated for a minute, knocked on table to get rid of airbubbles, then agitated ten sec every 30sec. Rinsed for a minute, then fixed. The stripes are all over the film, so not just a few frames. Interesting if two different brands would affect each other? I'll separate them next time. Maybe I should give my reels a good seing to as well :smile:
 

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For this film the agitation sequence may be too much: 10 seconds every 30 seconds gives hardly any stand time, i.e. the developer is almost in constant movement. If it works for other films you are happy with, then fine; this would also create more visible grain, which may be what you want - for less grain and perhaps less contrasty negatives a 'normal' agitation might be 30 seconds initially then 10 seconds every minute. To get back to the issue, I think I am correct in saying that this strong agitation could cause a 'wave' pattern that may lead to irregular development that this film emulsion may be sensitive to - there is a more scientific explanation that I have come across, but I think the basis is correct (now prepared to be doubted as I don't have the original article).
If you have developed this film before in the same way and not had problems, then, of course my suggestions fly out the window, so forgive my speculating.
Years ago I used to develop with the Paterson tanks (still do) using the rotary 'twizzle stick', method and occassionally with two or more reels stacked I would get one or more 35mm films with the development banding issue. This was caused by too vigorous agitation and a wave pattern through the sprocket holes - very regular uneven development, if you follow me - but I didn't come across it with 120 film. Since then I agitate by inversion and have never had any development issues: with inversion you must always have a good air gap as a full or nearly full tank will not displace the solution enough.
Forgive my long reply, I don't wish to imply that you don't know any of this, but, being a forum others may find it useful for the first time.
Regards, Mark Walker.
 
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Thank you Mark, I'm just after ideas, I appreciate all input. Regarding your comment, I have always used this agitation sequence and not had a problem with it. Still I will print these pictures, "the damage" kind of suits the subject, but I will scrub down my reels and keep different brand films separate next time.
cheers, Sarah
 

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I think you are right to print, Sarah, the image you showed has a timeless ethereal quality (that reminds me of some early photography that I like that also had process 'flaws'), a sense of something either lost or about to appear, whichever your view. Have fun.
Mark Walker.
 

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Sarah

If you developed two film at the same time, and only one shows this patterns, it cannot have to do with processing unless the two film react completely different, which I doubt. It must have something to do with the Foma film.

Was this film stored differently?
Does another Foma from the same package show the same pattern?
 

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Frozen film, with the foil packet opened before it was completely warmed up ? Maybe something like that. Are the marks width-ways or length ways on the film (depends on the camera so can't tell from the pic) and was this reel on the top or on the bottom? Often one would think of width-ways extra density as being agitation related, or something in processing, but the consensus has moved away from that it seems....
 
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