What Kodak's site says about its B/W film

SchwinnParamount · Oct 29, 2005

Collect888. Please help me understand your thinking. I've just described what chinese 'labor unions' cannot do by law. Those things they are proscribed from doing are the very activities which define a union. They are therefore not a union. When the worker in the union has no influence at all whatsoever and is not allowed to protest conditions which are set by the 'union heads' who happen NOT to be workers but politicians in the communist party, you still insist on calling them unionized?

Your camera analogy does not hold any water. If you wanted to make it accurate, then you would need to describe your camera as one which is not light tight, has no place to put film, has no lens, and oh by the way, if press the right button... plays music. And yet you insist you have a camera.

My sources for Chinese labor union information come from 3 places. 1: personal experience. 2: well documented research 3: discussions with ex-patriot Chinese workers.

Logic and reason are clearly not your strong point. Perhaps you should stick to photography

collect888 · Oct 30, 2005

SchwinnParamount said:
...My sources for Chinese labor union information come from 3 places. 1: personal experience. 2: well documented research 3: discussions with ex-patriot Chinese workers...

Your earlier post shows you thought China government bans the labor union. That alone enough to tell me you don't have the basic knowledge in the field. Frankly your knowledge about China is probably from mass media. And even this knowledge is largely discounted because you are obviously not a good enough student. Admit you might not watch CNN carefully and got the fact the opposite way . And now repeat this three times: "It is Wal-mart, not Chinese government, try to ban the labor union in its Chinese store". You can start to do a lot of research about "Chinese labor union" now.

Political discussion is never my favorite. I was pointing out your lack of very basic knowledge on this subject. Without knowledge is easy to improve. The ignorance to the correction is the true issue here.

Now let's get back to that pinhole camera.

Collect888: I insist this is a camera
SP: It is not light tight ...
Collect888: in elegant Holga style.
SP: has no place to put film
Collect888: digital pinhole?
SP: has no lens
Collect888: there is a tiny hole there
SP: and oh by the way, if press the right button... plays music
Collect888: sure if you press that MP3 button
SP: My sources for camera information come from 3 places. 1: personal experience. 2: well documented research 3: discussions with ex-patriot Chinese camera builders ...

Dave Parker · Oct 30, 2005

Come on guys, do we really have to do this, we have now gone from B&W film to the solving of the Chinese Labor problems...
Collect888, your really not being such a nice guy....again!

Dave

collect888 · Oct 30, 2005

Satinsnow,
You are welcome to participate in the discussion but personal attack is not acceptable.

Dave Parker · Oct 30, 2005

Collect888,

Thank you for your permission to participate, but I don't need it, but I do appriciate you giving it, and who personally attacked you????? I said you were being mean, on this thread, I didn't say anything about your character or attack your person, just said your actions in this thread were mean.

You really seem to be abasive around here, you were when you were here last time, and now your saying I personally attacked you...

Your funny.

Dave

collect888 · Oct 30, 2005

Satinsnow,

You did not put even one word on the discussion itself. Instead you were commenting people not nice, and later, mean and abasive. That is not appropriate. Discussions can be very hot but this kind of personal attact is not welcomed.

No I never comment you are nice/mean/abasive or not. You are nice or not nice is not the point of this discussion. This is not an event for beauty pageant.

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Collect888: (to others) Now let's get back to that pinhole camera ...

Dave Parker · Oct 30, 2005

Thanks Collect888

Sorry to offend your sensibilities, your last two comments on this thread to SP has had nothing to do with this thread either...

Have fun..sorry you feel my comments were not appropriate, your comments to me in the past have went beyond appropriate, and into the area of lible, so I think we are fair.

Collect888: (to others) Now let's get back to that pinhole camera ...

and in case you have not noticed, this thread has nothing to do with pinhole cameras!!

And I could care less what you feel is appropriate

Dave

collect888 · Oct 30, 2005

Satinsnow said:
Thanks Collect888
... I think we are fair... And I could care less what you feel is appropriate ...
Dave

Ok you are using this discussion as a tool for breaking even ... and you think we are fair now.

I suggest it is a good time for you to go somewhere else - there are a lot of other interesting discussions going on, if you don't want to get involved into the discussion and just want to get even with someone.

Dave Parker · Oct 30, 2005

collect888 said:
Ok you are using this discussion as a tool for breaking even ... and you think we are fair now.

I suggest it is a good time for you to go somewhere else - there are a lot of other interesting discussions going on.

What is it with you that you think you can dictate, where I post, what I post and when I post?

Please explain this to me, like I am a kid?, cause I admit it, I am a big doof, but what gives you that power over what I do???

Please explain....

It really don't matter to me, but I find it amazing, that you can drop in everyonce in a while and think you can tell someone where to go, what to do and how to do it, you did it with SP and now your attempting it with me..

You have to remember this is a public forum and as such, anything you post is subject to someone making a post back to you..

And back at you, you can post elsewhere also...as your "pinhole" camera posts have absolutly nothing to do with the thread at hand, which the subject matter was what Kodak had posted on their website, and I don't remember Kodak posting anything about "pinhole" cameras, so you as well have tried to change the direction of the thread.

Dave

collect888 · Oct 30, 2005

That is my suggestion, not dictation.

Again, there are a lot of other interesting discussions going on. They will be great for you, if you don't want to get involved into the discussion and just want to get even with someone here.

I just don't want to wasting time and keep concentrated in that long and hard discussion with someone else. You are welcome to participate in the discussion, though not the stuff like "we are fair", etc. , etc. Those are nonsense and are the noises for the discussion.

BTW, you said, "... the subject matter was what Kodak had posted on their website, and I don't remember Kodak posting anything about "pinhole" cameras ... "

Sure you are working on getting even. How can you remember something like this. Here is a link on Kodak's website that will show a nice page about pinhole photography and a really nice photo gallery.

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/magazine/photography/2001_10/

Worth a look! Highly recommended.

Now let's get back to that pinhole camera ...

Dave Parker · Oct 30, 2005

In the context of the thread, the pinhole cameras were way off base, the thread was based on the availability of Kodak professional films, I am very familier with the Kodak Pinhole photography pages, but it has nothing to do with this thread which was the commitment of Kodak to continuing to provide professional films, now am I wrong in my interpitation of the way the thread went until you showed up and started posting on it?

I would suggest, if you don't like what I have to say, don't respond to me, I did send you a private message, in which this could have been discussed, but you choose to keep it in the public forum, so I will continue to post to you as well.

Dave

collect888 · Oct 30, 2005

First you wanted to get even with me and claimed it is fair for you now. That was simplely wrong in a public forum.

Second you argued there is no pinhole camer link on Kodak website. That's wrong again.

Now you start to realize this thread is not for discussing Kodak pinhole, is for Kodak film . What You need is to stick onto one point. Your original stated object is to get even with me. That is all you want to do here. You are not here for the discussion, Kodak or labor union, film or pinhole.

No I have no interest to get into PM with you. Why? Play get even games with you? I have no time for that. You go play with someone else.

Dave Parker · Oct 30, 2005

Okay, that is fine, no problem with me, but when ever where ever, I see you post, BS on a thread, I will call you on it, as long as we understand each other, that works for me..and really it is not "getting even, it is the legal ramifications of posting libel statements about a company, that were not true and could cause harm to that company, which you did based on your inability to understand and defend incorrect information. When I posted about your company, it was based on two seperate interactions with your company, and your answer was, and I quote "Well at least you got a refund"

So we will continue this, but perhaps in a different venue.

Don't bother answering as I have added your name to the ignore function, but don't think you have heard the last of my statements to you.

Dave

collect888 · Oct 30, 2005

Here let me quote what Satinsnow referred as posting libel statements about a company:

"eBay ID satinsnow has a "-1" feedback score - an appropriate way to define a crook."

And I have given out the link to eBay:

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=satinsnow

This is not correct? I clearly stated that is an eBay ID. Where did I refer to your company?

Original thread is here:

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

Dave Parker · Oct 30, 2005

Well it looks as if this thread has run its course.

Dave

Uncle Bill · Nov 22, 2005

I am a believer of diversifying your sources, I love shooting with Tri X, PLus x and I am test driving Tmax 400. That being said I love Ilford HP5 FP4 and the Delta series. Moral of the story spread the loyalty around.

Bill

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