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pentaxuser · Feb 9, 2013

Maybe there was once "plastic" and now there is "plastic" but it's different plastic Seriously the modern transparent and genuine neg files like "Clearfile" are fine but yes never put wet negs in such files. It is always worthwhile to run the insides of your fingers up and down the roll after drying. If there is any wetness your skin will detect it. The film should feel as smooth as the baby's proverbial before inserting it into a neg file

As far as measuring is concerned switch to metric instantly and no more confusion. I bet your fellow Canadians in Quebec are metric as sensibly all our European neighbours are and we in the U.K. are getting there rapidly

Vive Napoleon!

pentaxuser

henry finley · Feb 9, 2013

pentaxuser said:
Maybe there was once "plastic" and now there is "plastic" but it's different plastic Seriously the modern transparent and genuine neg files like "Clearfile" are fine but yes never put wet negs in such files. It is always worthwhile to run the insides of your fingers up and down the roll after drying. If there is any wetness your skin will detect it. The film should feel as smooth as the baby's proverbial before inserting it into a neg file

As far as measuring is concerned switch to metric instantly and no more confusion. I bet your fellow Canadians in Quebec are metric as sensibly all our European neighbours are and we in the U.K. are getting there rapidly

Vive Napoleon!

pentaxuser

I don't know now... the measurement of the King's foot got the US to the moon 7 times. Even rode around in a go-cart there. !2" = 1ft. works for me just perfect. Wouldn't have it any other way. I see these brand new space program shows on PBS nowadays, and they're talking all that kilometers stuff--what's that? SPEAK ENGLISH!

pentaxuser · Feb 9, 2013

Off topic but remember the days when the U.K. used to have a monetary system that had 12 pennies in a shilling and twenty shillings in the pound or eight half crowns in the pound. Oh and we had prices of some articles in things called guineas that were worth 21 shillings!!!!

American visitors who had a decimalised monetary system used to smile, shake their heads and think we were so quaint which we were or was that backward?

There really is no way forward except the metric system. Our kids for at least a generation now look askance when I speak of inches, degrees fahrenheit, gallons etc The kids are right and I am part of a measuring system that has about as much place in the 21st century as King Henry VIII having his wives' heads cut off

Oh and by the way the old way creates problems for newcomers to photography when it comes to measuring things as we have seen and causes mistakes that would be near impossible for a newcomer from the U.K. unless he/she is quite old or almost anywhere in the rest of the world with the U.S. as the major exception.

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h.v. · Feb 9, 2013

pentaxuser said:
Maybe there was once "plastic" and now there is "plastic" but it's different plastic Seriously the modern transparent and genuine neg files like "Clearfile" are fine but yes never put wet negs in such files. It is always worthwhile to run the insides of your fingers up and down the roll after drying. If there is any wetness your skin will detect it. The film should feel as smooth as the baby's proverbial before inserting it into a neg file

As far as measuring is concerned switch to metric instantly and no more confusion. I bet your fellow Canadians in Quebec are metric as sensibly all our European neighbours are and we in the U.K. are getting there rapidly

Vive Napoleon!

pentaxuser

Huh? I am using metric. Last page I was referencing 1L of water + 5mL (aka a teaspoon) of Ilfotol. Metric is very commonplace in Anglo Canada as well. I was referencing temperatures in Celsius. I think the only thing we outright still use imperial for is human height and weight, though this is changing.

Henry - I could see there being issue if there is water damage and it gets to stored negs. But that's as likely as fire or tornado or extreme heat. This is why I make a point of scanning all my negatives. That way I'm covered from both ends - the natural and technological threats that my photos are exposed to. If there is a fire, I still have photos on an off-site hard drive. If my hard drive crashes, I'll still have the negatives.

In other news, tonight I'll develop my roll of HP5+ from today, let it dry overnight. Should be fine. I'll be using distilled water and the proper concentrate of Ilfotol this time. It should be dry by tomorrow morning, but I will inspect closely and if I need to rewash blobs, I'll make sure to check the water temp first. Thanks for all your help.

tkamiya · Feb 9, 2013

h.v.

If you run a fan with door shut and sealed, it won't do any good. It won't circulate air and it won't remove humidity. In order for the fan to move air, there has to be an incoming flow of air. Otherwise, it will do absolutely nothing unless you have a vacuum pump for exhaust fan.... Plus, air circulation also means dust circulation.

I had few issues with sleeves but both were my fault. One, my film wasn't completely dry. I found out, feeling dry to touch isn't good enough. It takes over night drying and some before it is dry and emulsions hardens as a result. Also, I had to make sure the film was clean and free of dust particles. Otherwise, it just drags across the film.

MattKing · Feb 9, 2013

henry finley said:
I don't know now... the measurement of the King's foot got the US to the moon 7 times. Even rode around in a go-cart there. !2" = 1ft. works for me just perfect. Wouldn't have it any other way. I see these brand new space program shows on PBS nowadays, and they're talking all that kilometers stuff--what's that? SPEAK ENGLISH!

henry:

A lot of the space race technology was metric, and metric measures are in most cases official measurement units in the USA are metric.

It is one of those "left-wing" things :munch:

henry finley · Feb 9, 2013

Well, I've been wrong on this site enough times to where on this one, I ask you folks to agree to disagree amicably. And I'll shut my yap on the matter. I'm using my #10 white wove ordinary business envelopes. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Wish I COULD switch to those nice plastic pages. But sure enough I'd knock over a glass of ice tea and I'd have a mess.

henry finley · Feb 10, 2013

MattKing said:
henry:

A lot of the space race technology was metric, and metric measures are in most cases official measurement units in the USA are metric.

It is one of those "left-wing" things :munch:

Yeah, well... my 1/2 inch wrench can beat up your 14mm wrench ANY DAY!

h.v. · Feb 10, 2013

So I processed a roll last night. Final rinse was 1L of distilled water + 5mL of Ilfotol for roughly 30 seconds. Hanging to dry, the negatives were drying abnormally fast. There was already only a few drops here and there. I ended up using the squeegee once, but that's it. I probably didn't even need to. But as most of it was dried, I inspected and blobs still appear on the base side. The emulsion side appears to be fine, it seems. I don't know. I'll look into the film sponge and alcohol thing...but I would've figured this would've worked. The only thing I can think of now is reloading it onto the spiral (I haven't cut the negatives, it's still hanging) and rewashing with 1L of distilled water at roughly 20°C. Should I readd Ilfotol though? I'm not sure.

MattKing · Feb 10, 2013

h.v. said:
So I processed a roll last night. Final rinse was 1L of distilled water + 5mL of Ilfotol for roughly 30 seconds. Hanging to dry, the negatives were drying abnormally fast. There was already only a few drops here and there. I ended up using the squeegee once, but that's it. I probably didn't even need to. But as most of it was dried, I inspected and blobs still appear on the base side. The emulsion side appears to be fine, it seems. I don't know. I'll look into the film sponge and alcohol thing...but I would've figured this would've worked. The only thing I can think of now is reloading it onto the spiral (I haven't cut the negatives, it's still hanging) and rewashing with 1L of distilled water at roughly 20°C. Should I readd Ilfotol though? I'm not sure.

Don't re-wash - gently wipe the base (non-emulsion) side of the film with a dampened, lint-free soft cloth.

Make sure you don't inadvertently scratch the emulsion side while you handle the film.

The clue to your problem is your reference to the film drying "abnormally fast". This tells me that your humidity is very low. Did you wet down your shower area before you hung the film to dry there?

If you are going to squeegee, it is the base side you should concentrate on.

Also, can you hang your film sideways, so the water only needs to travel about 30 mm to reach the edge?

h.v. · Feb 10, 2013

The bathroom I'm using is a half bath...no shower. The main bathroom with a shower is too messy and dusty, I'd rather not. I can't hang the film sideways, unless an awkward U shape is ok. The bathroom is not wide enough. Does the cloth need to be dampened with distilled water, or should tap water be ok?

MattKing · Feb 10, 2013

h.v. said:
The bathroom I'm using is a half bath...no shower. The main bathroom with a shower is too messy and dusty, I'd rather not. I can't hang the film sideways, unless an awkward U shape is ok. The bathroom is not wide enough. Does the cloth need to be dampened with distilled water, or should tap water be ok?

Distilled water would be better, if the cause of the problem is your tap water in the first place.

Andrew O'Neill · Feb 10, 2013

I bet your fellow Canadians in Quebec are metric

Huh? All of Canada is metric, eh. Not just the province of Quebec, eh. Has been since about '76, eh.

I don't think those are reticulation marks. I've never seen reticulation on only small bits of the film. Also, with modern films it is very very difficult to reticulate. It's from wet film inserted into the sleeve, me thinks.

h.v. · Feb 10, 2013

Ok, thanks MattKing for that tip. I picked up a chamois from Canadian Tire and cleaned it, than dampened it in distilled water. I ran it a couple times gently down the base side, where the marks were showing up. Dried very quickly it seems and now there doesn't look to be any water marks. Hooray! I keep looking, expecting to find something, but nothing.

MattKing · Feb 10, 2013

h.v. said:
Ok, thanks MattKing for that tip. I picked up a chamois from Canadian Tire and cleaned it, than dampened it in distilled water. I ran it a couple times gently down the base side, where the marks were showing up. Dried very quickly it seems and now there doesn't look to be any water marks. Hooray! I keep looking, expecting to find something, but nothing.

Shh - you will let out the secret - only Canadian Tire products will solve this problem .

Glad this worked for you.

I still think though that lack of humidity is a big part of the problem - can you put out a small tray of water near where you are drying the film?

h.v. · Feb 10, 2013

Yeah, low humidity is commonplace in Alberta (the Prairies in general, really). So much so that even Vancouver feels very humid to us, even though in my mind I know Vancouver is quite tame when compared to Toronto, or Recife, or Hong Kong, or Mumbai . I'll try having a tray beneath the hanging negative. Would warmer water be better do you think?

Thanks again!

MattKing · Feb 11, 2013

h.v. said:
Yeah, low humidity is commonplace in Alberta (the Prairies in general, really). So much so that even Vancouver feels very humid to us, even though in my mind I know Vancouver is quite tame when compared to Toronto, or Recife, or Hong Kong, or Mumbai . I'll try having a tray beneath the hanging negative. Would warmer water be better do you think?

Thanks again!

Warmer water will increase the humidity more.

One caution about the tray - it is best if it is slightly off to the side, because if the film slips and falls .....

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