What ISO will the new Ektachrome be?

Minoltafan2904 · Aug 4, 2017

Right so i assume you all know that Kodak has said the NEW Ektachrome will be available by the last quarter of this year.

However, i read that they are reformulating it, so it won't be the exact same film that it used to be, this would also make it i assume the newest E-6 emulsion on the market ( Ferrania,Rollei,JCH don't have new E-6 emulsions do they? )

Does anybody have any hints of that the speed of the new Ektachrome could be? personally 100 or 160 would be handy.

trendland · Aug 4, 2017

Minoltafan2904 said:
Right so i assume you all know that Kodak has said the NEW Ektachrome will be available by the last quarter of this year.

However, i read that they are reformulating it, so it won't be the exact same film that it used to be, this would also make it i assume the newest E-6 emulsion on the market ( Ferrania,Rollei,JCH don't have new E-6 emulsions do they? )

Does anybody have any hints of that the speed of the new Ektachrome could be? personally 100 or 160 would be handy.

Just have a short look to the history of this emulsion.
The last ektachorme we saw was E100 G / E100 GX

before we saw E 100 VS before that E 100 S / GS !

And now .... ? Any idea aboud speed ?

The other properties of the emulsion ? Just regard the difference between the metioned from the past - they are very smal.

You have to be an absolut expert to notice the difference between E100 G and E100 S.

The new one may have characteristics a little better than the E100 G but not for sure.
It depends on Kodak. But it possible might be not more less than E 100 S - we will see .....

with regards

Minoltafan2904 · Aug 4, 2017

I wonder if it will be available in multiple ISOs? maybe 100 and 160? who knows

trendland · Aug 4, 2017

Don´t believe so ???

You may have some possible E.I. with bw depending on devellopin method. The same is with c 41 but with a smaler range.
E 6 need a tollerance of 1/3 stop. Sometimes you obverexposure E 6 a half stop and that was it. Bad overexposed slides !

Sometimes you underexpose E 6 1/3 stop and it is just fine.

In gereral you have to expose absolute correct but often the messurement failed - so a overexposure of 1/3 stop sometimes is also the best.

For this reason you may have an exposure series.

But " various speed " wit E6 is absolut NONSENCE - sorry to say....

Do not believe what marketing strategists have in their mind.....

.....

with regards

Andrew O'Neill · Aug 4, 2017

I don't care what ISO it is. Just get it on the shelves!

railwayman3 · Aug 4, 2017

My total guess would be 100ASA.....a usable speed, while maintaining good sharpness and minimum grain.

And wasn't there the suggestion it would be used in a Super-8 version.....so would that be an artificial light version to use with a filter fitted in the camera, like the
Kodachrome 40, etc., used in the old Super-8 cartridges ?

trendland · Aug 4, 2017

railwayman3 said:
My total guess would be 100ASA.....a usable speed, while maintaining good sharpness and minimum grain.

And wasn't there the suggestion it would be used in a Super-8 version.....so would that be an artificial light version to use with a filter fitted in the camera, like the
Kodachrome 40, etc., used in the old Super-8 cartridges ?

Perhaps I am not up to date - but is it realy clear that Kodak hold on with their plan to super 8 ?

I will first see it before I believe ......

with regards

FujiLove · Aug 4, 2017

Andrew O'Neill said:
I don't care what ISO it is. Just get it on the shelves!

+1

MattKing · Aug 4, 2017

trendland said:
Perhaps I am not up to date - but is it realy clear that Kodak hold on with their plan to super 8 ?

The movie film is the reason it is coming back.

BrianShaw · Aug 4, 2017

Am I the only one that finds it odd that it's getting close to the release date an this info has not yet been divulged?

MattKing · Aug 4, 2017

BrianShaw said:
Am I the only one that finds it odd that it's getting close to the release date an this info has not yet been divulged?

Yes .
They probably have been watching what Ferrania is going through.

trendland · Aug 4, 2017

MattKing said:
The movie film is the reason it is coming back.

Well Matt - lets wait a bit and lets hear about the prices and then we can see how many super 8 movie - enthusiasts are willing to pay more than

$ 90,- to have 3´: 15" min.

Perhaps 85 % of the new masterolls are going into the still film market - I will think so....

with regards

BrianShaw · Aug 4, 2017

MattKing said:
Yes .
They probably have been watching what Ferrania is going through.

Marketing by making potential customers guess... an interesting strategy.

MattKing · Aug 4, 2017

BrianShaw said:
Marketing by making potential customers guess... an interesting strategy.

No - limiting your promises until you are confident about what you will actually be delivering.
Photo Engineer has made a couple of posts here that hint they are dealing with some technical challenges with respect to the re-introduction.

trendland · Aug 4, 2017

MattKing said:
No - limiting your promises until you are confident about what you will actually be delivering.
Photo Engineer has made a couple of posts here that hint they are dealing with some technical challenges with respect to the re-introduction.

What makes it expensive ? Thats the question - we can´t compare it with bw - that will not bring any answer.
So we should look to the past and ask : what was the reason to cheap film production - remeber production sales size of Kodacolor " Gold "
that was indeed a " goldrush " to Kodak - I would like to say.

To me it is the relation of produced films / preparing the production process to make the emulsion.

So we can expect that the change of an emulsion on the production street need some tests and there is a waste of film concerning the test before
the machines can run 100%.

It is perhaps not the economical problem if the new emulsion has a production size of the equivalent of 390.000.000 135 films to the next 7 month
of 24 h production.

But what is the size of a film like Kodak Ektachrome 320 thungsten ? Therefore my personal guess is they made this film in a size they calculated to sell it within the next 9 years otherwise it was not economical to produce some films in 1994

( long before digital ).

What is the problem with the calculation to the new Ektachrome ??? From my point of view I definitifly will not see any problem - but Kodak stated they will sell 10.000.000 Film / year ???? Of course they meant the equivalent of 135 - 36 films but from my point it is the full production size to the next few years!

But we will see ......

At least I should agree with you Matt the re-introduction is a great risc - but Kodak will need it. ( the risc )
The more problem I see indeed with Super 8 - a bit over - ambitiously from my point of view.

with regards

phrons · Aug 4, 2017

No ISO

I'm in the "I'll believe it when I see it camp"

Minoltafan2904 · Aug 4, 2017

Kodak said that Ektachrome would come back in 35mm and Super 8, because of popular demand, i know for a fact most people would rather have Kodachrome coming back than Ektachrome, but i guess they mean that there is a new interest in analog photography as a whole.

Minoltafan2904 · Aug 4, 2017

phrons said:
No ISO

I'm in the "I'll believe it when I see it camp"

Well, yeah but if Kodak announced that it would be coming back they must have commited to the project seriously!
Now something i would like to see is how much they will charge, for a roll of 135-36, i undoubtedly will buy it, but just how much will be determined by price, because E-6 processing is scarce and expensive.

Chan Tran · Aug 4, 2017

trendland said:
Perhaps I am not up to date - but is it realy clear that Kodak hold on with their plan to super 8 ?

I will first see it before I believe ......

with regards

Not holding on to their plan. They currently selling super 8 camera and film. The films however are negative so when you send them in for processing they will develop them then scan into a digital video file. I think the introduction of Ektachrome is for people who want to project their film.

NJH · Aug 4, 2017

I will definitely be buying it, if its any good then its bye bye Fuji from me.

BrianShaw · Aug 4, 2017

phrons said:
No ISO

I'm in the "I'll believe it when I see it camp"

I'm with you. It's a shame to have to feel this way. One of my employees was at CES when it was announced and they had nothing but a story. No marketing materials that she could find. Just a press release an a promise. And not much since, either. I'll be happy if it comes true, though, at an affordable price.

BrianShaw · Aug 4, 2017

MattKing said:
No - limiting your promises until you are confident about what you will actually be delivering.
Photo Engineer has made a couple of posts here that hint they are dealing with some technical challenges with respect to the re-introduction.

I value PEs input, but I believe he was reading tea leaves like everyone else. His (and your) inside knowledge certainly makes that easier and more interesting than speculation by folks like me without such insight. But from my professional experience R&D is usually done before productization... and marketing is robust if there is really something coming to market. A good friend of mine was at senior level of Kodak marketing and the tea leaves I read are the roll of his eyes. But if it happens I'll be happy.

trendland · Aug 4, 2017

Minoltafan2904 said:
Well, yeah but if Kodak announced that it would be coming back they must have commited to the project seriously!
Now something i would like to see is how much they will charge, for a roll of 135-36, i undoubtedly will buy it, but just how much will be determined by price, because E-6 processing is scarce and expensive.

Regarding Ektachrome prices in the past : $ 29,90 (Ektachrome Elite 100/ Ektachrome Elite Extracolor 100 - both as versions of E100 G/E100 GX to amateurs).....what a price in 2005/2006/2007 ????
BUT IT WAS TO 10 Films....yeah......

$2,99 TO 36 exposures 135 film!!

The 10 pices packages increases a bit from year to year $30,90... $ 32,-.... $34,....at least $ 36,95......!
One day I noticed a big reduction in price : $ 30,- again (2009) - just fine....
but the I hold a new box with only 5 films in my hand

.

5 Ektachrome with a price $ 30,-

it increases in a short time at $ 32,-/$36..
first dealers want $38,- and Then Kodak anounced TO produce no E6 any longer.

$ 42,80 / $ 44,-...../ $48,- (allways TO the 5 pices film box)
Ektachrome WAS off after some months.
And some ebay sellers listed the same film at $ 79,-

TO 5 Ektachrome
amateur version.

I am very sad to say but with this last price Kodak may start again and that should be a minimum of $ 16,90 / $17,90
per each roll of new Ektachrome single
roll 135-36.
Perhaps IT will be more.......
So as a conclusion we should be happy it
Kodak is willing TO give this film TO us
TO less Then $ 24,95.
TO me this seams TO be absolut possible
too.
BUT in this case Kodak will make most people angry again.....

Never Do twice

!

with regards

George Mann · Aug 4, 2017

Minoltafan2904 said:
i know for a fact most people would rather have Kodachrome coming back than Ektachrome

Yah, so this latest batch better be good!

George Mann · Aug 4, 2017

phrons said:
I'm in the "I'll believe it when I see it camp"

Me too!

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