I have not forgotten with how much disrespect towards us members the CatLabs owner behaved here on photrio at the introduction of his latest film.
He completely tried to fool us with his marketing fairy tales about "designed in Boston" and "a film never been on the market before".
Well, we here tested his film intensively and found as a clear result that it is just repackaged Agfa Aviphot Pan 200. A film available under different other brands and names for more than 15 years. So absolutely nothing new or unique at all, as he wrongly claimed.
This guy has meanwhile lost all his credibility. That's the sad and bitter truth.
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So, a badly written Reddit post has inflamed the Internet and turned customers against Cinestill, because CatLabs owner has posted a misleading, inflammatory article about Cinestill's defense of its Trademark. Well done, Internet.
Actually, my objection to CineStill's behaviour comes not from their interaction with CatLabs, but from their threats to resellers of a Chinese product utilising the same Kodak 500T film and Remjet removal. The small eBay seller who is trying to do the right thing, describes the product exactly as it is but has been told, basically, that "800" and "T" are not to be seen in the same postcode. I read their listing - it's purely descriptive. CineStill went directly to eBay, citing trademark infringement or whatever and eBay took that at face value - which is understandable, but CineStill should never have been granted that trademark in the first place and the fact they've gone after small traders who are easily intimidated and can't afford to fight it, speaks volumes.
CineStill has stated that they have NOT sued anyone. But they ARE obligated to protect their Trademark if they want to keep it.
CineStill has stated that they have NOT sued anyone. But they ARE obligated to protect their Trademark if they want to keep it.
Rather it was you who stopped reading the datasheets of the films. Kodak and Fuji both provide different E.I. for daylight and tungsten for their black and white emulsions. For their color emulsions they provide which filter is to be used and what factor you have to add/substract. Ilford, Agfa and I believe even Foma does the same.
Reminds me of the time I went into a sports store, and asked them to stop using the name O'Neill on certain clothing, or give me a discount....
Andy, how did you get on with the same line at the donut store?
pentaxuser
Andrew O'Neill-Horton ??
Of course the CatLabs films are all just repackaged films manufactured elsewhere under a number of names. And the current version of X Film 80 MKII is Fomapan - just one look at the emerald green dye that the film sheds tells you this. My tests with it in reciprocity territory also tells me it's Fomapan. Nothing wrong with Fomapan, of course, but CatLabs has been totally unwilling to share ANY technical details about this film, its characteristic curve, spectral sensitivity or reciprocity traits, to the point of rudeness when asked for information. As far as I'm concerned, Omer had not yet earned any respectability, so there's none to lose.
Andy, how did you get on with the same line at the donut store?
pentaxuser
I believe it's Fomapan 100. My work with Fomapan suggests it must be rated at 40 ASA or less to optimize shadow retention. Same for the "CatLabs" MKIII have both CatLABS 80 II, and Fomapan in sheets. I wonder which Fomapan the CatLABS is... I'm thinking Fomapan 100...But I cannot get a Zone I density unless I rate it at EI 32... I should probably do some side by side tests...
I believe it's Fomapan 100. My work with Fomapan suggests it must be rated at 40 ASA or less to optimize shadow retention. Same for the "CatLabs" MKII
Just when I was trying to overcome my antipaty for all the throatcutting resellers and convince myself that Cinestill indeed does something of added value by offering Kodak XX in 120 format. Not that I would consider Catlab different to all the others, but I was indeed at the verge of shelling out money for a dozen rolls of XX in 120.
The situation given, does anybody know how to order XX as 70 mm from Kodak?
The situation given, does anybody know how to order XX as 70 mm from Kodak?
Nope! They are still making 65mm, it was used in Oppenheimer most recently.Is it possible that Kodak stopped making this after it was used for Christopher Nolan's "Dunkirk" and what's out there is all that's left? (I have no idea if this is the case, so don't say it's so. I'm just wondering, b/c it's not in the catalog.)
This is true, but from the second-hand info I received, it seems like they do have extra cans. I could be completely wrong though.As I understand it, the 65mm XX that Eastman Kodak made at the request of those making "Oppenheimer" was a special order, and never intended to be a regular (or even irregular) catalogue item.
If you are willing to buy as much film as is needed for a major motion picture shooting in IMax format, you too can have Eastman Kodak cut some for you.
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