What is going on with 35mm

Roger Cole · Aug 29, 2022

takilmaboxer said:
A long time friend recently retired from Rochester to Olympia, Washington. I asked him, doesn't it rain all winter there? His reply was "yes but it's very easy to shovel, and the temperature rarely falls much below freezing."

Reminds me of what I tell people who like snow but complain about GA summers, “never in my life have I ever needed to shovel the heat off the driveway.”

I used to joke that, when I retire, I was going to pack up my car including a snow shovel on top of the luggage rack and head south. The first place I stopped where someone looked at and asked, “what the hell is that thing?” would be where ur stay.

But here in the Atlanta area is close to that. I don’t think anyone would not know what a snow shovel was and I think I’ve seen them for sale at Home Depot once when a winter storm was forecast, but I don’t own one and I don’t know many friends who do.

mshchem · Aug 29, 2022

We seem to have drifted from the original topic of the 35mm crisis

MattKing · Aug 29, 2022

mshchem said:
We seem to have drifted from the original topic of the 35mm crisis

Actually, I think we have snow drifted from the original topic ....

mshchem · Aug 29, 2022

OK. The mess as of today.
Adox, when are we getting more "new" old color films? Is the global mess we are in halting development (no pun intended) of new color films?

The supply disruptions, European War, China/Taiwan mess, shipping/logistical disasters all seem to have combined to create a panic where people are hoarding 35mm color film.

If you want something by the Winter solstice you better order it today.

I've been trying to buy a MacBook computer, I ordered it a couple weeks back, called today, changed the color, should get it first week of October.

I did buy fuel yesterday, USD $0.87 /L 10% ethanol/90% gasoline.

CMoore · Aug 29, 2022

mshchem said:
OK. The mess as of today.
Adox, when are we getting more "new" old color films? Is the global mess we are in halting development (no pun intended) of new color films?

The supply disruptions, European War, China/Taiwan mess, shipping/logistical disasters all seem to have combined to create a panic where people are hoarding 35mm color film.

If you want something by the Winter solstice you better order it today.

I've been trying to buy a MacBook computer, I ordered it a couple weeks back, called today, changed the color, should get it first week of October.

I did buy fuel yesterday, USD $0.87 /L 10% ethanol/90% gasoline.

Are you guys on The Metric there......or are you just using it because most other people are.?

mshchem · Aug 29, 2022

CMoore said:
Are you guys on The Metric there......or are you just using it because most other people are.?

Ha! No Chip still on US gallons. The global audience here either remembers Imperial gallons or lives in an advanced country who adopted SI units in the 19th century.

MattKing · Aug 29, 2022

mshchem said:
Ha! No Chip still on US gallons. The global audience here either remembers Imperial gallons or lives in an advanced country who adopted SI units in the 19th century.

Or in our case, used to use Imperial gallons, but adopted SI units for most things in the 1970s.
Just 13 blocks from here is a border crossing to a small US community which is one of the few that sells gasoline and diesel by the litre - because all the customers are Canadian.

mshchem · Aug 29, 2022

I remember when Jimmy Carter was president, it was official, the US was going to convert. I was so happy. Never happened. I use metric whenever possible. Impossible to do any building without embracing English measurements and fractions.

takilmaboxer · Aug 29, 2022

Conversion from metric to English isn't that difficult. I even know a few ham radio operators that can handle that one.

Wallendo · Aug 29, 2022

35mm film is metric, but Kodak sells D-76 in gallon size, but XTOL makes 5 liters. Gas is sold in gallons, but liquor sold by the liter. Coca-cola sells small bottles in ounces, but big bottles in liters. Most hospital work is metric, but many still use Fahrenheit. Almost all athletic fields and courts use feet or yards, except for that boring game where people kick a round ball around.

Fortunately I have a few hundred feet of black and white film in my refrigerator.

pentaxuser · Aug 29, 2022

MattKing said:
Actually, I think we have snow drifted from the original topic ....

Isn't this a sign that everything useful to be said about the 35mm colour film situation has now been said? Is there never a case for closing a thread like this? Then at least if someone has in the future something relevant to communicate, a new one can be started

Just a thought

pentaxuser

CMoore · Aug 29, 2022

mshchem said:
Ha! No Chip still on US gallons. The global audience here either remembers Imperial gallons or lives in an advanced country who adopted SI units in the 19th century.

MattKing said:
Or in our case, used to use Imperial gallons, but adopted SI units for most things in the 1970s.
Just 13 blocks from here is a border crossing to a small US community which is one of the few that sells gasoline and diesel by the litre - because all the customers are Canadian.

Thanks to you 2 and the others that replied.

CMoore · Aug 29, 2022

Wallendo said:
35mm film is metric, but Kodak sells D-76 in gallon size, but XTOL makes 5 liters. Gas is sold in gallons, but liquor sold by the liter. Coca-cola sells small bottles in ounces, but big bottles in liters. Most hospital work is metric, but many still use Fahrenheit. Almost all athletic fields and courts use feet or yards, except for that boring game where people kick a round ball around.

Fortunately I have a few hundred feet of black and white film in my refrigerator.

If you were a stand-up comic, you could probably work that into your routine.
Good Observation

AgX · Aug 29, 2022

mshchem said:
OK. The mess as of today.
Adox, when are we getting more "new" old color films? Is the global mess we are in halting development (no pun intended) of new color films?

-) Today it was reported at this forum that Adox have the Colour Mission I available again. (It was planned for release 6 weeks earlier.)

-) To my experience there is no interest at the industry to come up with anything new concerning films. Sustaining or reviving something old at profitable market price is the aim. And as Mirko repeatedly pointed out, this already is an endeavour.

Sirius Glass · Aug 29, 2022

mshchem said:
OK. The mess as of today.
Adox, when are we getting more "new" old color films? Is the global mess we are in halting development (no pun intended) of new color films?

The supply disruptions, European War, China/Taiwan mess, shipping/logistical disasters all seem to have combined to create a panic where people are hoarding 35mm color film.

If you want something by the Winter solstice you better order it today.

I've been trying to buy a MacBook computer, I ordered it a couple weeks back, called today, changed the color, should get it first week of October.

I did buy fuel yesterday, USD $0.87 /L 10% ethanol/90% gasoline.

I did my film ~~hoarding~~buying film to keep it from the hoarders before many others started panic buying.

Roger Cole · Aug 29, 2022

I would have some very unpopular but "I sure can defend them" things to say about our system of measurements vs. metric (I use metric in the darkroom because it's better for scientific technical use, but I use and vastly prefer English units in everyday life even though I'm comfortable with metric because English units are just better for everyday use, for reasons - that I won't go into because I'm trying to stay on the subject of 35mm color film. ) - Oops, guess I just did, a bit.

Does anyone else have any real evidence, and I think this was asked before with none forthcoming, that Fuji plans to abandon C41? I agree with Matt; if they did it would make no real sense at all to be re-selling Kodak made C41 film. Eh, maybe it would mean some profit with little expense so I guess there's that. But that just doesn't seem like a big company like Fuji. It makes far more sense that it's a way of keeping their name on C41 film while they try, or at least plan if trying isn't yet feasible, to get their C41 back up and running.

mshchem · Aug 29, 2022

I'm curious as to what happens if/when the, demand drops, and supply chain problems improve.

I wonder if the 10 and 11 year old kids of today will have any interest in film?

CMoore · Aug 29, 2022

mshchem said:
I'm curious as to what happens if/when the, demand drops, and supply chain problems improve.

I wonder if the 10 and 11 year old kids of today will have any interest in film?

It HAS been an interesting ride..... hasn't it.?
At one point you could buy a Nikon F2as...Canon F-1, Hasselblad, Auto Focus Minoltas, etc etc etc.........for peanuts.
There was question if film would even be manufactured anymore.

Round And Round It Goes. Where It Stops.........

Huss · Aug 30, 2022

Just bought some more Fuji 200 from RiteAid. Still cheaper than B&H. And in stock...
Yeah I have lots in my freezer, but I shoot lots and the last thing I'm gonna do is start a thread asking where can I get film and why is it so expensive...

Sirius Glass · Aug 30, 2022

mshchem said:
I'm curious as to what happens if/when the, demand drops, and supply chain problems improve.

I wonder if the 10 and 11 year old kids of today will have any interest in film?

They think that film went the way of rotary phones. Something seen in old tv shows and movies, often in black & white. Those are things that very old people like grand parents and great grand parents use along with walkmen and cassette tape recorders. You know, museum stuff.

Don_ih · Aug 30, 2022

Sirius Glass said:
They think that film went the way of rotary phones. Something seen in old tv shows and movies, often in black & white. Those are things that very old people like grand parents and great grand parents use along with walkmen and cassette tape recorders.

And they're pretty much correct.

Huss · Aug 30, 2022

Sirius Glass said:
They think that film went the way of rotary phones. Something seen in old tv shows and movies, often in black & white. Those are things that very old people like grand parents and great grand parents use along with walkmen and cassette tape recorders. You know, museum stuff.

And yet it is kids I see dropping film off to be developed.

Sirius Glass · Aug 30, 2022

Huss said:
And yet it is kids I see dropping film off to be developed.

The incorrigible ones.

Huss · Aug 30, 2022

I even saw a group of girls (12-13 yrs old maybe) at the beach taking snaps of each other. They were using a P&S camera, and best part was it was one of the millions of Pentax/Canon/Nikon 'anonymous' ones, not a trendy one. I couldn't tell what it was apart from silver blobby plastic thing and I sure as heck was not going to creep out a group of young girls by approaching and asking them!
I've had a bunch of those non-descript P&S cameras and they all could make some real nice pics. The one cheapy I currently have left is the Pentax Zoom 90 WR which is great.

mshchem · Aug 30, 2022

I noticed a couple kids buying a vinyl album (33 1/3 rpm record) recently. It was a reissue of a Fleetwood Mac album. This was at Walmart or Target, IIRC it was well over $20. Maybe there's hope.

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