What is going on with 35mm

AgX · Aug 27, 2022

grat said:
*snicker*snort*guffaw*

That's funny. That's really funny.

I'm guessing you didn't watch the recent tour of the Kodak film emulsion factory. That plant only exists because of a truly massive investment made by Kodak in the late 1990's when film was still a Big Deal. Moving just the drying assembly would be ridiculous.

I understand they're trying to reinvent the area as a tech hub-- if that's successful, it would benefit everyone.

I know such photochemical plants from the inside. Even been involved in dissolving one. And such coating facility has indeed been moved to another place.

Evolving a tech hub can take time. Just think of the decennia they are trying it for the Orwo plant.

CMoore · Aug 27, 2022

faberryman said:
Kodak Color Plus 200 in 35mm is in stock at B&H for $16.99/roll.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1476366-REG/kodak_603147_color_print_film_200_36.html

Good Heavens.

I am glad i have a few rolls remaining.
I would pay that for One or maybe TWO Rolls.............. but that is it.
Fortunately i shoot mostly B&W, but i would think everybody enjoys color Some Times.

VinceInMT · Aug 27, 2022

jtk said:
California is crowded because people want to live there and if they leave they won't like living anywhere else.

Well, no. This ex-Californian moved to Montana 31 years ago and I like living here. Let’s see, I went from 3 hours a day commuting to less that 20 minutes total. I went from having a mortgage to paying cash for a house and cash for rental/income property. I went from a career path that paid well but had a low satisfaction level to one where I was making a difference (High school teacher.). I’m a car guy and all my cars I register with permanent plates and never have to register them again. I don’t have to submit to any vehicle inspections, ever. I am an hour from the Beartooth Highway and there are no lines of traffic to get there. The air is clean as is the water. It’s quieter: no police helicopters flying overhead. We have free college education for anyone over 65 which means I got my BFA tuition free. I can go to a local microbrewery and get a pint for $3. There no long lines at the stores. I can head out from my home and be in the wide open spaces in less than 3 miles. And on and on…

grat · Aug 27, 2022

AgX said:
I know such photochemical plants from the inside. Even been involved in dissolving one. And such coating facility has indeed been moved to another place.

Well, yeah. But-- the expense of moving that facility to a new purpose built building, along with the several thousand feet of chilling/drying chain, along with the airflow requirements to float the film stock the entire distance-- that's a seriously non-trivial job.

According to some comments on the Smarter Every Day video (#2), they're running 54" wide runs up to 7600 feet at anywhere from 250 to 950 feet/second, largely to support motion picture film (still a strong segment for Kodak). I'm not sure there's another plant in the world right now that could meet that kind of demand-- Fuji might have been able to, but they seem less and less interested.

Even given that they could pack up and move a lot of the specialized equipment like the coating engines, there's still a huge amount of infrastructure required to essentially change your mailing address.

AgX said:
Evolving a tech hub can take time. Just think of the decennia they are trying it for the Orwo plant.

Takes time + money, and some savvy investments + managements.

Alex Benjamin · Aug 27, 2022

henryvk said:
If they could run the production lines on angry boomer rants

Isn't that what's already running Twitter?

NB23 · Aug 27, 2022

Sirius Glass said:
Kodak was founded in Rochester because it is the world's largest natural darkroom. That is why Kodak cannot be moved.

And?
Ilford was founded not in rochester, nor fuji.

Huss · Aug 28, 2022

jtk said:
Warm beer, impending end of civilization.

The only place I’ve had warm beer is at Dodger Stadium.

Roger Cole · Aug 28, 2022

VinceInMT said:
Well, no. This ex-Californian moved to Montana 31 years ago and I like living here. Let’s see, I went from 3 hours a day commuting to less that 20 minutes total. I went from having a mortgage to paying cash for a house and cash for rental/income property. I went from a career path that paid well but had a low satisfaction level to one where I was making a difference (High school teacher.). I’m a car guy and all my cars I register with permanent plates and never have to register them again. I don’t have to submit to any vehicle inspections, ever. I am an hour from the Beartooth Highway and there are no lines of traffic to get there. The air is clean as is the water. It’s quieter: no police helicopters flying overhead. We have free college education for anyone over 65 which means I got my BFA tuition free. I can go to a local microbrewery and get a pint for $3. There no long lines at the stores. I can head out from my home and be in the wide open spaces in less than 3 miles. And on and on…

But it's COLD. And it is dark all the time in the winter.

Were it not for those things I'd consider that "pert near paradise" myself. I'm beyond sick of urban areas and can't wait to retire and get out of metro Atlanta. But much as I'd like the other things you mention, Wyoming is just too dang cold and dark (in winter) for me. Otherwise, yeah.

AgX · Aug 28, 2022

grat said:
According to some comments on the Smarter Every Day video (#2), they're running 54" wide runs up to 7600 feet at anywhere from 250 to 950 feet/second, largely to support motion picture film (still a strong segment for Kodak). I'm not sure there's another plant in the world right now that could meet that kind of demand-- Fuji might have been able to, but they seem less and less interested.

Assume Agfa to be the biggest player in town.
What makes Fuji outstanding is that they still are running RA-4 lines.

_T_ · Aug 28, 2022

faberryman said:
Kodak Color Plus 200 in 35mm is in stock at B&H for $16.99/roll.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1476366-REG/kodak_603147_color_print_film_200_36.html

you’re living in a different world if you think that one roll of consumer 200 is worth $17 because I would never

Huss · Aug 28, 2022

faberryman said:
Kodak Color Plus 200 in 35mm is in stock at B&H for $16.99/roll.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1476366-REG/kodak_603147_color_print_film_200_36.html

Eh? You can buy 2 rolls of Fuji 200/36 for that.

Roger Cole · Aug 28, 2022

_T_ said:
you’re living in a different world if you think that one roll of consumer 200 is worth $17 because I would never

I must be living in a different works then. Shrug. It’s worth what demand and limited supply support. I only shoot maybe 10-15% color and I virtually stopped shooting it in 35mm when I got MF cameras (and I can get Ektar/P160/P400/H400/P800 all in 120 pretty readily) but if I wanted to shoot color and that was the only choice I’d buy it, and not really think twice about it.

How much film do folks shoot anyway? Say that’s double normal price (don’t know.) 36ex is a lot, for me anyway. 2-3 rolls a week, which strikes me as a lot? $16-$24 more then. No one wants to pay more, sure, but most people who shoot film in the first place could probably shrug that off, or at least cut back on Starbucks, drink cheaper or no beer, whatever.

At least in this kind of cost range people make the budget for what’s important to them.

Roger Cole · Aug 28, 2022

Huss said:
Eh? You can buy 2 rolls of Fuji 200/36 for that.

Where exactly?

Not saying you can’t, but the point of the whole thread is that supplies are so tight it’s very difficult to find at all and when you do the places that have some mostly have it because they’ve raised prices enough to slow sales to the point of being able to keep it in stock.

Don_ih · Aug 28, 2022

Roger Cole said:
It’s worth what demand and limited supply

The problem is, as the price increases, it becomes harder for people to justify using it at all, especially when you add in processing. It makes less sense to budget for it - especially if you don't actually make money from it.
And, you know, if the solution is to afford it by shooting less of it, the manufacturers will stop making it.

AgX · Aug 28, 2022

The situation will worsen.
The price of natural gas meanwhile in Europe is about 10x of that in USA, in Germany the price of electricity even is practically coupled to this.

This means the largest burden resp. threat for the european chemical industry. And consumers hardly will be buying film when they wonder how to heat their homes.

faberryman · Aug 28, 2022

Huss said:
Eh? You can buy 2 rolls of Fuji 200/36 for that.

Perhaps somewhere. Fuji 200 is $9.99/roll or $32.95/3 rolls at B&H and both are out of stock. I don't have a local RiteAid.

VinceInMT · Aug 28, 2022

Roger Cole said:
But it's COLD. And it is dark all the time in the winter.

Were it not for those things I'd consider that "pert near paradise" myself. I'm beyond sick of urban areas and can't wait to retire and get out of metro Atlanta. But much as I'd like the other things you mention, Wyoming is just too dang cold and dark (in winter) for me. Otherwise, yeah.

Cold is relative and, no, it’s not dark all the time. You must be thinking of Alaska and Minnesota. We have blue skies most of the winter. And while it does snow, I think I only shoveled 3-4 times last winter and don’t mind do so. I don’t have go to the gym and lift on those days.

As for cold, I’m a distance runnner and I run outside ALL YEAR. It’s a matter of how one dresses. Plus there are major advantages of the the cold in the winter. You get a break from yard work and outside chores. There are no bugs. Winter scenes to photograph are nearby, like right outside your door. There are hiking trails everywhere. I have one 3 blocks form the house that goes off in many directions for many miles.

Another photographic advantage of moving here, someone mentioned something about the high cost of real estate impacting one’s ability to have a darkroom. That wasn’t the case of me. I sold a 900 SF house in SoCal and bought a 2,700 SF house on a large lot that included a full, finished basement that has a 12x12 windowless room and able to do so WITH CASH.

Full disclosure: yes, there are some downsides. If you like to eat out, it’s chains and steaks. That’s about it. Ethnic food is rare or fake. If you like seeing current musical artists, you better like country/westerns because that’s what you’ll get. We do have a local jazz scene that’s really good though. If you come here from someplace else, especially the West Coast, some people will look down on you, forever. There is a high level of racism directed at the Native American population. There are others but things tend to balance out to the positive column.

Huss · Aug 28, 2022

faberryman said:
Perhaps somewhere. Fuji 200 is $9.99/roll or $32.95/3 rolls at B&H and both are out of stock. I don't have a local RiteAid.

Seriously you don’t know how to use google? excuse my frustration but this is very simple stuff..
Orleanscamera has it for $8 roll in stock.

why do people act like B&H is the only retail establishment in the US?

to sum up, cheaper than B&H and in stock. This is how I shoot colour film with no interruptions. Instead of throwing up my hands in resignation I look for it. And when you find it don’t buy one or two rolls. Buy 10 or whatever.

Sirius Glass · Aug 28, 2022

Huss said:
Seriously you don’t know how to use google? excuse my frustration but this is very simple stuff..
Orleanscamera has it for $8 roll in stock.

why do people act like B&H is the only retail establishment in the US?

to sum up, cheaper than B&H and in stock.

Or if you do not want to be tracked and hounded by advertisements us DuckDuckGo.

Huss · Aug 28, 2022

Sirius Glass said:
Or if you do not want to be tracked and hounded by advertisements us DuckDuckGo.

The results from duckduckgo are awful compared to google. Just do a search for fujifilm c200 in both like I just did and report back.

NB23 · Aug 28, 2022

Huss said:
Seriously you don’t know how to use google? excuse my frustration but this is very simple stuff..
Orleanscamera has it for $8 roll in stock.

why do people act like B&H is the only retail establishment in the US?

to sum up, cheaper than B&H and in stock. This is how I shoot colour film with no interruptions. Instead of throwing up my hands in resignation I look for it. And when you find it don’t buy one or two rolls. Buy 10 or whatever.

Yeah... that whatever part. 160 rolls in my fridge.

Steven Lee · Aug 28, 2022

VinceInMT said:
I’m a car guy and all my cars I register with permanent plates and never have to register them again. I don’t have to submit to any vehicle inspections, ever.

No inspections? You must realize that not all people are responsible. Half of them have mental capacity lower than median, and 10% are basically imbeciles that we can't legally do anything about. So how not inspecting vehicles for environmental reasons can be a good thing?

VinceInMT said:
The air is clean as is the water.

Not for long.

grat · Aug 28, 2022

Huss said:
The results from duckduckgo are awful compared to google. Just do a search for fujifilm c200 in both like I just did and report back.

It's slightly more competitive if you search for "fujifilm c200 35mm". Regardless, I prefer DDG for my primary search engine... if I want to use google, I can always search for "!g fujicolor c200 35mm". The "!" shortcuts in DDG are very nice.

The other issue of course is that if I use DDG for searching, I don't suddenly get thrown Fujifilm camera ads on every website I visit.

grat · Aug 28, 2022

Steven Lee said:
No inspections? You must realize that not all people are responsible. Half of them have mental capacity lower than median, and 10% are basically imbeciles that we can't legally do anything about. So how not inspecting vehicles for environmental reasons can be a good thing?

It's a scale issue. Montana, in spite of being the 4th largest state in the country, has a total population about the same as San Jose, California. Cars have to be reliable, so there's a certain interest in maintaining them. Montana isn't quite as protective of stupid people as other states.

I'm not sure I'd be as trusting of the water as Vince-- and I say that having drunk straight out of glacial waterfalls in Glacier National Park-- but that was in the 1970's. I had family in Whitefish for decades, but that place has apparently turned into a resort town, and I don't think I'd enjoy living there now.

jtk · Aug 28, 2022

Huss said:
The results from duckduckgo are awful compared to google. Just do a search for fujifilm c200 in both like I just did and report back.

I tried DDG and found that it wasn't a great search engine compared with G. G does search further and wider than DDG, and that's what I want. Can cope with G's spammish nature and didn't like to learn that GGD overlooks stuff....such as history (not referring to politics).

What is going on with 35mm

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