I completely disagree. Some people have better imaginations than others. Some have easier times with abstract concepts. For them, creativity requires less effort, as it's ingrained in their DNA.
I completely disagree. Some people have better imaginations than others. Some have easier times with abstract concepts. For them, creativity requires less effort, as it's ingrained in their DNA.Innovative or creative effort stands side by side with time and difficulty.
That is certainly a perfectly valid way of defining something as a "portrait". It is a fairly traditional definition though, and there are other ways of defining portraits.Portrait to me is a visual art. It should stand on it's own merit as a visual message.
Innovative or creative effort stands side by side with time and difficulty. I fail to see the stand apart creativity in this work.
Having a person scribble on a paper during tea time and then turning it in as a portrait feels to me like playing the judges. If the judges want to make an artistic point they will go after the strangest thing. Art is in the eye of the beholder but the community is very insular and will accept things from one of their own that would be laughed at if a non insider would attempt.
It's a very haughty attitude that I've bumped into over time. I am not one of you so I can't play your game. It's high-school all over again.
That is certainly a perfectly valid way of defining something as a "portrait". It is a fairly traditional definition though, and there are other ways of defining portraits.
To pick an example from the painting world, I think that Diego Velazquez's – "Las Meninas" is both definitively a portrait, while still being much more than just a visual message.
And just about any of Jane Bown's famous portraits are enhanced greatly if you know even the slightest amount about her subjects - Samuel Beckett being a perfect example:
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I like this reference:I don't know who Samuel Beckett is
... "...he has written a play in which nothing happens, twice." ...
That is certainly a perfectly valid way of defining something as a "portrait". It is a fairly traditional definition though, and there are other ways of defining portraits.
To pick an example from the painting world, I think that Diego Velazquez's – "Las Meninas" is both definitively a portrait, while still being much more than just a visual message.
And just about any of Jane Bown's famous portraits are enhanced greatly if you know even the slightest amount about her subjects - Samuel Beckett being a perfect example:
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I don't know who Samuel Beckett is
...I don't disagree that a portrait can be enhanced by an explanation but the visual should take the bulk of the experience and the explanation should enhance but not become the primary.
Shame Shame He was one of the leading writers and playwrights in the English language.
Which is ironic, given that several of his most appreciated works were written first in French!Shame Shame He was one of the leading writers and playwrights in the English language.
i understand what both of you are saying and i am in agreement,
but IDK when somene sells work for x$ and they are
called a hack, and someone else does something
out of the ordinary and they are drawn and quartered
by an angry mob claiming art schools have ruined the world
its a bit much ...
i understand what both of you are saying and i am in agreement,
but IDK when somene sells work for x$ and they are
called a hack, and someone else does something
out of the ordinary and they are drawn and quartered
by an angry mob claiming art schools have ruined the world
its a bit much ...
"Drawn and quartered" seems a little strong, don't you think? I see people saying "I don't like it", people seeing "I see no creativity here", but I missed the part of the thread where anyone called for a bloody vengeance upon the transgressing artist.
I dunno, to me it seems a basically healthy debate. Art can be polarising, and maybe art *should* be polarising. How would we ever have misunderstood geniuses if there were no one ready to misunderstand them?
-NT
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