Well it is a little distracting when...
Pointing out that 35mm and rodinal is lo fi to me isn't a straw man.
Okay that's one vote for not caring about the environment. Anyone else?......
Because public perception drives the market.
I said the average person. I did not say JBrunner. The average person doesn't know what 35mm is and they have most certainly never heard of Rodinal. Also my post said FILM not "35mm film." I know you had to change that to make your point but you can't just alter the facts to suit whatever argument you are making at the moment. If you quote me do it accurately, please. I was going to answer the rest of your post but you mischaracterized so much of what I said and even added in some stuff I didn't say that I didn't think it would be fruitful. If you said 8x10 is high fi relative to 35mm I would say yes. That is not an opinion. It is a fact. The fact I shoot 35mm on occasion and have never shot 8x10 doesn't change that fact. And it doesn't make it a personal insult that you stated the fact. I am not going to go on for 6 pages in the thread about opinion, and art, and spontaneity, and live and let live, and why do you care. I will agree with the FACT you stated and that's the end of it. You have quite nicely illustrated the point that I have thus far failed to get across to some people. Not everything is an opinion. And what you personally shoot doesn't change the FACTS. Thank you.
It's difficult to accurately quote paragraph upon paragraph of ranting. We're here to discuss what Lomo means, not disparage it. You seem to think that your point can be made with sheer volume. The fact is few here are buying it. The other fact is that it is totally off the topic. You can rant on for another twenty paragraphs, or perhaps you can figure out that the thread isn't called"why I hate Lomo and hit the road if you dont"
Most people could take the hint.
Noble, so do you get this mad at Leica or Hassleblad owners?
A Leica made in 1940(or whenever) is not going to have as good a glass as even some 80's canon lenses and an AE-1 but instead of spending $100 they spend $2,000+
Alright, I have to admit, I'm pretty intrigued.Before we get even more huffy puffy over this whole issue, we should bear in mind that the demons over at the Lomographic society also put word out about this little bastard:
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We are all familiar with the scan in the image then shrink it down to 380x256 and apply sharpening trick. Not sure what that has to do with legitimate lens evaluation though.
What's funny, is that you can practice "lomography" with any camera.
Sometimes I do it with my Rolleiflex, sometimes I do it with my Hasselblad.
I even do it with my Leica, Nikons, and Pentax 6x7 occasionally. Lomography is simply the overcoming of obsession with technical limitations and theory, and just giving plain old serendipity a chance.
Sometimes I shoot my 6x7 without the lens mounted, just held in front of the mount, so that I can tilt and shift as I please. A shroud of black duct tape is a serviceable enough bellows. That's pretty f*cking lomo, if you ask me.
I agree with Stephanie. I think a lot of people who shoot with these cheap cameras/lenses (including myself) are not 'lomographers' in the sense of the big "L" lomography movement, they are just people who like to have fun or explore what can be done with cameras outside the norm. I like my Holgas but I can guarantee that I would never pay the prices that places like Lomography and other retailers demand.
That being said...I think the appeal of Lomography is that is provides people, who may not know a lot about film, or be intimidated by film cameras that are outside of their realm of familiarity (I certainly was before I got my first medium format camera). Sure, the cameras and the films are expensive (we know that), but they provide an easy, friendly access to those who are looking for something different but are not sure where to start. I'm certain that if those people keep up with it and do their research, they'll learn quickly enough that they can use cheaper, non-Lomo films to do what they want, and that there are other cameras and processes that they might try.
The thing that bothers me about lomography (big or small L) is that it promotes the idea that film is unpredictable, goofy, out-of-focus, that cameras leak light, etc... and that that's all film can be about. Most recent articles about film always seem to have a tie to the lomography movement, which I find unfortunate. There's so much more to film than cheap cameras (not that there's anything wrong with them, I like them), film can (and does) produce stunning work, it can be very reliable and predictable and beautiful, but no one is promoting that fact. We at APUG of course know that, but we are insiders to this little club, and getting that message out there without being critical or condescending is important.
That's reminded me of my Dad in the 1960's experimenting with his Exakta, extension bellows and various old magnifying glasses
and bits of lenses taped to the front. Some really interesting and different results. He would have been delighted and amused to think that he was an early lomographer!
"Does the size of 110 film affect its quality?”
Generally, this doesn’t just depend on the film, but also on the camera you use, laboratory conditions and processing. Having said that, film production has evolved a lot since the launch of the original 110 Pocket films and new 110 films such as the Lomography Orca, use equally fine film materials as other larger format films. Therefore, you shouldn’t be able to notice any difference in quality at all.
Oohh... am I a lomographer??5x7 paper neg with a $0.99 magnifying glass lens.
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BTW, welcome to APUG, Noble. Here you will find many talented and knowledgeable photographers who are an invaluable resource in questions spanning the gamut of the analog experience. This is also a tight-knit community with a strong sense of "got your back"; personal attacks are frowned upon and disparaging remarks earn few friends. I hope your stay here is enjoyable.
Cheers,
Tom
I really like the idea behind some of Lomography.com cameras.
But just read this at their site:
What should the uninitiated reader understand from this? Am I over critical?
Railway man and Chris, that sounds fun I'm trying it!
Railway man, you weren't at Dwayne's in 2010 were you?
~Stone
Sadly, no, never been to Dwaynes. But some of my last reels of Kodachrome might have been going through the machine when you were there!
What does "LOMO" mean?
To me?
Cheap plastic camera. Lightweight. It has limitations. No worries.
I bought a Holga years back when it was something like $15. I'm still using the same Holga. Yeah, I have other cameras. I have Pen-F to Toyo 8x10. What do I like to have with me when I'm on a bicycle? The Holga.
It weighs 8oz. I don't care if it bangs against the bike as I'm riding. I don't care if it gets stolen or ruined or broken. It has one speed and one aperture, and I can live with that. I patched the light leak holes with black tape. If I run a lot of film through it, my thumb starts to get raw from the sharp edges on the winding wheel.
Why do I keep using it? The most important reason is that I never think to myself, "should I photograph that?" I just do it. I don't worry about it. I go through roll after roll after roll. And I don't care.
I don't photograph like that with my other cameras. Except maybe my Pen-F, which I haven't been using because it needs a CLA. Anyways, with my 8x10 I carry with me 6 holders, so I get 12 shots, and that's it. There's a lot more shots than that riding my bicycle. Really, there are. And it's harder to pack the 8x10. So with the 8x10 or other cameras, for some reason I get into a rationing mentality. I need to ration the shots. Sure, I have to do it with sheet film. And for some reason, I also do it with my other good cameras.
But not with the Holga.
I release cares and concerns with the Holga. They are set aside. They don't matter. I accept the results for what they are. What comes, comes. What gets on the film, is what's there. That's all. That's all that there needs to be.
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