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I scan Velvia, Portra and Ektar in 35mm on a Reflecta RPS 7200, usually at 3200 ppi. I've been playing around with sharpening settings a bit but not really getting the results I want, I may be being too cautious and feel I might need to apply more than I usually would to my RAW Nikon D700 files. I'm not a great fan of Photoshop, and use Nikon's Capture NX2 which suits me better, but the settings for unsharp mask can be converted from photoshop to NX2 fairly easily. I was wondering what your sharpening levels are usually set to for those films?

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If you're not happy with results from USM, maybe it's time to go back to Photoshop and check out the new, improved Smart Sharpen. The Lens blur module provides effective and (used judiciously) halo-free detail enhancement that's miles better than the USM apporach, IMO.
 

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As a 'hybrid' user, I've been scanning film and "processing" in Photoshop. Sacrilege at APUG but I guess that's what DPUG is for. I don't allow the scanner software to do any sharpening (Vuescan, usually), I now scan 'raw' and use ColorNeg or ColorPos (Color Perfect plugin) in Photoshop. I agree that there are some interesting tools like Smart Sharpen in Photoshop. I use unsharp mask sometimes to increase microcontrast (not really sharpening). An interesting sharpening plugin is NIK Output Sharpener. Don't know if NIK products work in other programs. Anyway, its very customizable depending on the target output and the various sharpening methods can be combined into one output.
 
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I usually work in RAW from my D700, and the sharpening settings that I apply that work well for me are based on some suggestions I found on the web. After a lot of experimentation and sending the prints off to a pro lab to be printed up at about 11"x8" (I ask the lab not to apply any additional manipulation) what works for me for RAW files is (this is for the Capture NX2):
I apply a high pass filter with a radius of 1 pixel with an overlap blending mode of 85%
I then apply USM with an intensity of 100% (I think this is 500% in photoshop), radius of 1% (0.4 in photoshop) and threshold of 5 (also 5 in photoshop). I get no halos like this and on prints it looks crisp but not over-sharpened, though on screen it does look way to sharpened but I've found that for the lab I use for prints I need to apply more sharpening that I would be happy with on screen. I should point out that I hate over-sharpening and would use less than this for portraits, but for a lot of my macro shots these setting work well.

Is this over-sharpening? Is this too conservative? I use the same settings for my slide scans (where I do no sharpening at the scan stage) but feel that perhaps I should apply more than I would to the RAW files.
 
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I don't sharpen any scans from slides at all. I never scanned a negative film until today.

The only need to sharpen an image is when I scale it down to present it on the web, then I add a USM of 90% / 0.6 / 4 in PS for sizes up to 1500x1000 pixels.

For large format prints no sharpening at all.

Hope that helps...
 

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The amount of sharpening depends on the sharpness of the scanner. I sharpen my Premier drums scans at 100-275, with a radius of .2. Some times I sharpen with High Pass, if the image itself needs a boost.

I think the attempts a some sort of rule here is incorrect. There are too many factors in play...

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I shoot medium format film but also shoot digital. Are the radius and detail set differently between digital and film?

It probably depends on what your internal sharpening is set toand what you do in Capture raw when opening the raw file but,I use the same setting for both.
 

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I think the settings are going to be highly scanner-specific, as well as scan resolution dependent. For what it's worth, with the Epson series flatbeds, at 2400 ppi resolution, I generally end up applying what I consider to be a lot of USM, about radius 1.1, amount 225 to many scans, sometimes selectively to just the areas I need sharp, not smooth areas of grain. This is done in PS after processing curves etc. I never use the in-scanner sharpening anymore. With my Nikon digital camera, in comparison, I would rarely sharpen a Raw file with more than radius 0.8, amount 190 when using a good lens.
 

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I think the settings are going to be highly scanner-specific, as well as scan resolution dependent. For what it's worth, with the Epson series flatbeds, at 2400 ppi resolution, I generally end up applying what I consider to be a lot of USM, about radius 1.1, amount 225 to many scans, sometimes selectively to just the areas I need sharp, not smooth areas of grain. This is done in PS after processing curves etc. I never use the in-scanner sharpening anymore. With my Nikon digital camera, in comparison, I would rarely sharpen a Raw file with more than radius 0.8, amount 190 when using a good lens.

I think these are good numbers. Or, at least good for the high side... and they are pretty standard. Drum scanners, as I mentioned before, are sharp to be begin with, so sharpening is just a matter of articulating the grain, radius is generally .2.

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I think the settings are going to be highly scanner-specific, as well as scan resolution dependent. For what it's worth, with the Epson series flatbeds, at 2400 ppi resolution, I generally end up applying what I consider to be a lot of USM, about radius 1.1, amount 225 to many scans, sometimes selectively to just the areas I need sharp, not smooth areas of grain. This is done in PS after processing curves etc. I never use the in-scanner sharpening anymore. With my Nikon digital camera, in comparison, I would rarely sharpen a Raw file with more than radius 0.8, amount 190 when using a good lens.


Since I tend to sharpen the whole photo at one time, I also find that Masking will get rid of some of the sharpening in sky elements that became sharpened in the process without effecting more complex areas.
 
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The amount of sharpening depends on the sharpness of the scanner. I sharpen my Premier drums scans at 100-275, with a radius of .2. Some times I sharpen with High Pass, if the image itself needs a boost.

I think the attempts a some sort of rule here is incorrect. There are too many factors in play...

Lenny

Again, I have to agree with Lenny. Not only is the equipment used in the initial capture a major factor, but so is the size of the original, the subject matter, image tone, and print size.

When I was comparing scans from an epson 750 to the screen 1045 drum scanner, the epson needed to be sharpened to about Amount: 250 Radius: 1-1.5 and Threshold: 0-3 to attempt to match the native sharpness of the drum scan. Not to say that I was able to match the detail recorded in the drum scan, but just the feeling of edge definition. See this post Dead Link Removed

Of course, it is impossible to tell for certain without seeing actual prints or files to compare, but by reading some of the sharpening settings here makes it sound like most people tend to over sharpen their images in photoshop. Ten years ago people went buckwild with the USM filter just because they could, and I think that played into a lot of the criticism of digital prints early on, and that continues to have negatively impact the acceptance of inkjet prints in the fine art market. That might be lessening now to some degree that people are more aware of the issue and as sensor sizes and resolution increased, and that editing programs enable 16-bit processing and printing.

With digital capture it can be much harder. When importing into Lightroom—I Shoot landscapes primarily—I bump the clarity up to 10-24 and then in sharpening i use Amount: 24-36, Radius: 0.5, Threshold: 0 Detail: 20-36. Anything more than that starts introducing sharpening artifacts.

Now that I am using Capture One for my raw imports/developing the sharpening settings seem to be better at higher levels before introducing artifacts. Amount: 100-180 Radius: 0.4-0.8 Threshold: 0. I also turn noise reduction down to the minimum possible so I don't have the effect of smoothing the edges as then trying to resharpen them. I think the combination of noise reduction and over sharpening might play into the unnatural look in a lot of digital prints.

To sharpen for printing I use the following workflow in photoshop. I copy the final flattened layer twice and then apply the USM at different amounts for the highlights and shadows (on the two separate layers), which are then set the lighten and darken blend modes. Then you can adjust them to different opacities to feather the amount of the adjustment. This is basically what the smart sharpen filter does, but I've found this method to be much faster than figuring out the smart sharpen tool and waiting for it to process, especially when working with large files.

Here are the ballpark settings, but each image is different and you have to develop your own judgment for these things.
Top Layer: Lighten blend mode: Opacity at 40%-60%, Amount: 120-150, Radius of 0.3-0.7 Threshold: 0
Middle Layer: Darken mode: Opacity at 50%-75%, Amount: 100-150, Radius of .8-1.2 Threshold: 0
Background: No USM

My best advice is to set the zoom to the print size, then click once to zoom in slightly so you can see the amount of the effect at print size, and what is happening at the pixel level when you are using the preview box in the USM window.
 
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I shoot medium format film but also shoot digital. Are the radius and detail set differently between digital and film?

That depends on what you like. For prints I never sharpen, because of the tiny halos which appear in large format prints. When I sharpen a scanned MF image (13.050 x 8.700 pixels), I notice that USM sharpening doesn't have an effect unless I pull the sliders to 100%, 6.0, 4. But then the image looks very strange (in my eyes).

With digital material I don't sharpen either. Sharpening in the camera is turned off, and with CNX I don't touch the sharpener. With a 13x19 print the sharpening is visible and distracting (again: in my eyes).

As I said - sharpening only for web, like here:

Fuji GW 690 III, Fuji Pro 400 H @ 200 ASA, scanned @ 4.000 ppi and 48bit with a Nikon LS 9000, original size as mentioned above, scaled down to 1.500 x 1.000 pixels with the above values. But when I see the image on flickr, I notice that the flickr software manipulated the JPEG and added white space around the edges. Sorry for that, but this is something I can't change or influence.



Fuji GW 690 III
by toyotadesigner, on Flickr
 
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