What are these marks on my film?

StoneNYC · Mar 8, 2014

This seems to have started when I began using the JOBO processor and 2509n reel, I can't figure out what it is... It's only on the side WITHOUT emulsion. Everything else in my process hasn't changed since switching from the MOD54 to the JOBO 2509n...

It's been showing up with both Rodinal and DD-X that I've used... Again everything else I've done is the same...

Thanks

joh · Mar 10, 2014

do you use/have the plastic inserts for the 2509n reel?
without them there could be banding from the flow of the chemistry, I've never seen it,
but often heard of it. Most people prefer the 3000 series drums for sheetfilm cause of this.

StoneNYC · Mar 10, 2014

joh said:
do you use/have the plastic inserts for the 2509n reel?
without them there could be banding from the flow of the chemistry, I've never seen it,
but often heard of it. Most people prefer the 3000 series drums for sheetfilm cause of this.

Yes I use those inserts...

I'm thinking it could be too much photoflo/wetting agent but I've never had this issue before and I haven't changed my amount I use...

timor · Mar 10, 2014

This tiny lines ? On dry film ? It doesn't look like a too much wetting agent. Can you scratch it off with finger ?

StoneNYC · Mar 10, 2014

timor said:
This tiny lines ? On dry film ? It doesn't look like a too much wetting agent. Can you scratch it off with finger ?

I will try when I'm home on Wednesday

timor · Mar 10, 2014

I am just curious if it is a deposit or what else. Never seen such a thing before. Very strange.

Andrew Johns · Mar 10, 2014

I've had the same thing show up on my film. I think they are streaks caused by excessive wetting agent.

They don't show up in the print.

StoneNYC · Mar 10, 2014

Andrew Johns said:
I've had the same thing show up on my film. I think they are streaks caused by excessive wetting agent.

They don't show up in the print.

Yes, doesn't seem to affect the scan, and is NOT on the emulsion side.

I'll use less wetting agent and see if that helps.

removed account4 · Mar 10, 2014

Andrew Johns said:
I've had the same thing show up on my film. I think they are streaks caused by excessive wetting agent.

They don't show up in the print.

if you use photoflo, you only need a few drops/ tray, tank &c
more than a few drops &c is bad news ...

a small bottle seems to be a lifetime supply

Andrew Johns · Mar 25, 2014

I developed a roll of 120 film last week and skipped the wetting agent all together. The streaks are gone!

I'll need to get a dropper to control the amount of agent I use. I've just been guesstimating it.

cliveh · Mar 25, 2014

StoneNYC said:
Yes I use those inserts...

I'm thinking it could be too much photoflo/wetting agent but I've never had this issue before and I haven't changed my amount I use...

Don't use photoflo/wetting agent, but after washing swirl the film for 30 seconds in de-ionised water.

StoneNYC · Mar 25, 2014

Using less fixed the issue.

I don't know where deionized water could be had

cliveh · Mar 25, 2014

StoneNYC said:
Using less fixed the issue.

I don't know where deionized water could be had

Your local supermarket.

edcculus · Mar 25, 2014

Get distilled if you don't see DI water.

StoneNYC · Mar 26, 2014

Thanks guys, less worked fine and I'm not buying bottled water, the fact they sell it at all makes me grumpy...

Truzi · Mar 26, 2014

Stone, you do understand distilled and deionized water are not the same as bottled "spring" water, right? They have legitimate uses where "drinking" water would not be desirable.

StoneNYC · Mar 26, 2014

Truzi said:
Stone, you do understand distilled and deionized water are not the same as bottled "spring" water, right? They have legitimate uses where "drinking" water would not be desirable.

Yea, I understand, the whole isle just makes me mad though... All that waste, convincing people to pay money for water in a country like ours... It's ridiculous, half the time the bottled water is worse quality than the tap water! Grrr and all the wasted plastic feeding the garbage patch (water bottle islands)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch

http://tx.english-ch.com/teacher/yvette/level-a/the-secret-of-pacific-ocean/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021212067

It makes me crazy...

Ok I'm done

Truzi · Mar 26, 2014

I had an international-student friend from Japan who liked to go to a local "organic" grocer and get "spring water" from a machine (you had to bring your own jug). I went with her one day and pointed to the copper line going into the back of the machine - I told her she could just by a decent filter for her faucet at home and it would come out cheaper. It was so difficult to convince her it wasn't really spring water. On the other hand, she was living in Cleveland, and the municipal water supply isn't the greatest.

My father had COPD, and we had an oxygen machine in the house. For that we used distilled water to keep the air supply at the right humidity. This is one of many areas distilled is better.

TheToadMen · Mar 26, 2014

Using tap water is usually no problem (at least in Holland). The only thing with tap water is, that it contains a lot of air. The air is "mixed in" while taping the water from the faucet. Especially when a filter is used. No problem while drinking water, but it might be a problem for mixing chemicals.

So - if this is a problem - just tap some bottles of water in advance and let it rest for a week or so in a cool place, thus letting the absorbed air come out again naturally.

With some alt-photo processes this is sometimes a problem. Like with carbon printing. When the transfer paper is coated with a layer of carbon tissue, it needs to settle and dry overnight. If there is a lot of air in the used water/tissue, you might get tiny pinholes from air bubbles popping. Not a good thing.

StoneNYC · Mar 26, 2014

I specifically use the kitchen sink because it has a dedicated filter that's separate from the faucet area, so no water bubbles added

removed account4 · Mar 26, 2014

stone, most suppliers of photochemistry suggest you use distilled water to mix chemistry
because some tap waters are full of chemical additives the municipal water supplies uses to clean the water
chlorine for one, doesn't play well with some photo chemistries
and iron from the pipes doesn't either. its not the air, but sometimes the PH.
( just leave your water in a jug overnight to fix the ph ) ..

people are lucky if their water is "good" it wasn't long ago that public water supplies
were contaminated with all sorts of things that would make you sick if you drank it ...
( and well waters too ) ... im not talking about mineralization and "hardness" but other stuff ...

markaudacity · Mar 26, 2014

...also it's only a dollar a gallon. Cheapest photo chemical in the world. ^_^

edcculus · Mar 26, 2014

Yes, distilled and DI water have legitmate uses and are not designed for drinking. Fuji recommends we use distilled water in the plate processor at the print shop I work at to control the pH of the developer. Its between buying large jugs of distilled water, or buying a $3000 inline deionizer, and resin chambers that run about $100 a pop when they need to be changed.

I also am a homebrewer. Ive taken to buying distilled water to brew with for a few reasons. 1 - no chlorine. 2 - I can control the mineral content since I'm starting from a "zero" state. In addition to my mash bill and hop schedule, I also have a water recipe depending on what kind of beer I'm brewing.

You can distill your own water...but its so much cheaper just to buy it

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