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Thanks to the many suggestions, so far.
I think that this is my short-list.
-Olympus OM-1n + 40mm f2.0 or 50mm f1.8
-Pentax MX + 40mm f2.8
-Nikon FM + 45mm f2.8
Mechanical Shutter is my preference, it is not a deal breaker. There are quite a few small mechanical cameras anyways...
The PEN sound sweet, but full-frame is even sweeter. Contax sounds cool too but it is more expensive than the above cameras and maybe it holds no advantage.
I'd go Pentax MX + 40/2.8 if I am absolutely OK with a 40mm lens. This settup seems not too expensive and very well-rounded. The OM -1 also sounds excellent too but the 40/2.0 is much more expensive than the Pentax 40/2.8 and I don't need extra speed. The 50mm f1.8 is appealing because it is dirt cheap. The Nikon FM + 45/2.8 sounds comparable in size, maybe a tad bulkier (I'm guessing), but that 45mm focal length is a plus for me.
After writing this reply, I am leaning towards Nikon. How is the 45mm? I assume that the FM + 45mm f2.8 is not too much larger than the above aforementioned cameras, or too much more expensive either? What is the size of this settup with the Olympus OM1-n + 50mm f1.8 (or another comparable settup?)
Well, I think that the size differences won't be substantial but are all of these lenses good? I don't have to have the absolute best lenses, in terms of image quality.
This is my short-list.
-Olympus OM-1n + 40mm f2.0 or 50mm f1.8
-Pentax MX + 40mm f2.8
-Nikon FM + 45mm f2.8
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After writing this reply, I am leaning towards Nikon. How is the 45mm? I assume that the FM + 45mm f2.8 is not too much larger than the other combinations and I also assume that it is not much more expensive. Are these assumptions correct?
Anyone wanting to embrace auto focus technology should look at the Canon 3000 series compact SLRs. With Canon's 2.8 40mm pancake, it makes a coat pocket size AF, multi-mode point and shoot with modern lens technology. Having searched for the ideal carry round film camera, but been thwarted by some aspect of performance, the Canon 3000 makes an unlikely candidate, but ticks most of the boxes. It's not quite as small as mechanical cameras like the MX and OM1, but it's very light, easier to hold and cheap. I bought a mint body and a new lens for around £100.
That's true. Sometimes I prefer manual lenses and shooting at hyperfocal distance, other times AF comes in handy. The 40mm 2.8 focuses pretty well on manual, but it's fly by wire electronic and can go to sleep if left awhile. Easily woken by a jab on the shutter button, but I shoot on autofocus. Think of the combo as a really nice plastic point and shoot with optical viewfinder, and it makes sense. Compare it to a manual SLR and you may be disappointed. IQ on the pancake is excellent.The EF 40/2.8 STM is a really fine lens, very small, and super value at the price. The combination of that lens and one of the smaller Rebel/Kiss class film bodies with the quiet film advance is very sweet if you want a compact, unobtrusive AE/AF SLR. But if one prefers manual focus it's a recipe for ongoing aggravation.
"Not too much larger" is a subjective call. I have all three of these cameras. The FM is the largest, the MX smallest. For my taste, the FM looks and feels a lot larger than the MX. The difference in feel and visual impression is mostly because the FM body is substantially taller. YMMV - because this is so subjective, you really need to try for yourself. Differences that seem substantial to me might be unimportant to you.
If you would consider the 50/1.8 Zuiko to go with an OM-1, then you should certainly look at the 50/1.7 SMC Pentax-M to go with an MX. It's very small for a fast 50, far easier to focus than the 40/2.8, optically superior, and usually substantially cheaper to boot.
If size overrides all else - say, if you want to stuff the camera in your coat pocket - the MX/40 combination is the way to go.
Thanks. I haven't looked at any measurements yet, or too many visual aids, but the FM not being much larger was just my thinking. I'm not going to worry about a 1mm difference, but a few mm's might bother me.
I also realized that you cannot change the screens for the FM but I believe you can for the MX and I know you can for the OM's and so I think that I am leaning towards one of those now.
Questions:
I know this is maybe subjective but,
Is the MX and OM with their respective compact lenses (40mm f2.0 & 50mm f1.8 for Olympus and 40mm f2.8 & 50mm f1.7 for Pentax) in the same league in terms of size? More precisely: MX + 40mm vs OM + 40mm and MX + 50mm vs OM + 50mm. Both cameras/lenses seem very suitable, in terms of size. From the picture provided by Les Sarile, it seems so, but those are f1.4 lenses.
Focus and viewfinder is important to me too.
Is it practical to focus with any of these combinations with an all-matte screen? I don't like focus-aids which is one reason why I tend to not use 35mm SLR's.
Thanks. I haven't looked at any measurements yet, or too many visual aids, but the FM not being much larger was just my thinking. I'm not going to worry about a 1mm difference, but a few mm's might bother me.
I also realized that you cannot change the screens for the FM but I believe you can for the MX and I know you can for the OM's and so I think that I am leaning towards one of those now.
Questions:
I know this is maybe subjective but,
Is the MX and OM with their respective compact lenses (40mm f2.0 & 50mm f1.8 for Olympus and 40mm f2.8 & 50mm f1.7 for Pentax) in the same league in terms of size? More precisely: MX + 40mm vs OM + 40mm and MX + 50mm vs OM + 50mm. Both cameras/lenses seem very suitable, in terms of size. From the picture provided by Les Sarile, it seems so, but those are f1.4 lenses.
Focus and viewfinder is important to me too.
Is it practical to focus with any of these combinations with an all-matte screen? I don't like focus-aids which is one reason why I tend to not use 35mm SLR's.
The MX can take numerous different screens. It also takes the LX screens, which are brighter. The extra brightness means the meter might underexpose up to 1/3 stop. Not a problem for me, though the meter can be easily adjusted by a service shop to compensate.I also realized that you cannot change the screens for the FM but I believe you can for the MX and I know you can for the OM's and so I think that I am leaning towards one of those now.
Is the MX and OM with their respective compact lenses (40mm f2.0 & 50mm f1.8 for Olympus and 40mm f2.8 & 50mm f1.7 for Pentax) in the same league in terms of size? More precisely: MX + 40mm vs OM + 40mm and MX + 50mm vs OM + 50mm. Both cameras/lenses seem very suitable, in terms of size. From the picture provided by Les Sarile, it seems so, but I'm unsure which lenses those are.
I use an all-matte LX screen in one of my MX's and a matte/microprism dot LX screen in the other. And my LX and Nikon F3HP both have all-matte screens. I find for me, focusing aids are only needed in dim light.Focus and viewfinder is important to me too.
Is it practical to focus with any of these combinations with an all-matte screen? I don't like focus-aids which is one reason why I tend to not use 35mm SLR's.
The one thing about the Pentax MX is that the shutter speed dial is too tightly sprung. At least it is on my camera. You have to use considerable effort to change speeds.
I also find that the body is a shade too small, although I like that the self-timer doubles as the depth-of-field preview lever.
For my taste, the ideal camera body size is the Minolta XD-11, Nikon FM/FE, Contax 139, Canon AE-1, etc.
Yes, they are all that way. I have adjusted to it and automatically use more force, and can one-finger it. It no longer bothers me. But given especially that the knob is shorter than on most other cameras, giving less area to get hold of, it's definitely tighter than it needs to be. I've often wondered why they made it so tight. Maybe a repair person could take some tension out of the detent.The one thing about the Pentax MX is that the shutter speed dial is too tightly sprung. At least it is on my camera. You have to use considerable effort to change speeds.
I also find that the body is a shade too small, although I like that the self-timer doubles as the depth-of-field preview lever.
For my taste, the ideal camera body size is the Minolta XD-11, Nikon FM/FE, Contax 139, Canon AE-1, etc.
Half of a never-ready case makes it the perfect size, and a little added bump protection, for me.
Good idea!
Unfortunately, the original Pentax ones are impossible to find. A little known secret I discovered after buying 4 off-brand ones from a going-out-of-business sale... The Diamond Brand M Series cases fit MX's. They're a but loose and unusable in the ME Super/ME/MG/MV that they're designed for, but they fit on the MX snugly, with minor splaying:
I'd avoid that lens, though-- The S-M-C Takumar 28mm f/3.5. Dim in the finder, and unsharp. I may have been unlucky, but out of 2, neither were that good.
Maybe I have bad luck with 28mm's in general, as my SMC-M 28mm had it's rear group fall out, breaking the mirror and scratching the focusing screen of my ME Super. I also had a Vivitar 28mm f/2.5 that stopped focusing to infinity after a rough trip in my camera bag, and I accidentally unmounted my second S-M-C Tak 28mm (using the Pentax M42 adapter with the lock removed), dropping it a few feet onto concrete...
Yeah, sounds like it!
I'm surprised that you found the S-M-C Takumar (which would make it the later version of the 28/3.5 Takumar) to not be sharp.
It's well regarded, as is the SMC Pentax 28/3.5, the same lens in K-mount.
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