Weird Problem, Hasselblad . . Yep, I'm a Dumbass :)

Patrick Robert James · Mar 21, 2018

I'd tell you exactly what it is, but after your rude response to John above, I think I'll let you flounder about....

Karma sucks.

Marco Gilardetti · Mar 21, 2018

To sketch up what has been said so far:

- definitely not a shutter issue (agree);
- almost surely not a light leak in the camera back (agree);
- most probably not anything you messed up with the tank (agree);

At this point, seeing how the film is fogged quite evenly and right to the borders, I would not exclude that you ran into a defective film batch. Sometimes it happens. Were the three films you are talking about of the same make and/or type/batch?

In case, I would shot a test roll of a completely different make/type, possibly even purchased in a different shop/city.

removed account4 · Mar 21, 2018

John Galt said:
LOL! Thanks for the reply anyway!

glad i could help
the problem you are having
( except for car trouble )
seems to be the same thing that
plagues KIEV cameras. seen this sort
of issue on the internets. are you sure you have
a hasselblad, and not a hasselbladski ?
sometimes the name plate is a decal that falls off
kind of like the "made in usa" stickers
walmart workers used to put on all their products
that arrived from mexico ...
good luck with your camera !

John Galt · Mar 21, 2018

Patrick Robert James said:
I'd tell you exactly what it is, but after your rude response to John above, I think I'll let you flounder about....

Karma sucks.

It was sarcasm, which does not come across well in this medium. If I offended you John, I sincerely apologize

removed account4 · Mar 21, 2018

John Galt said:
It was sarcasm, which does not come across well in this medium. If I offended you John, I sincerely apologize

thanks

timing belt = shutter mechanism ( TIMING )
valve job = seals

your question was already answered by the 2nd response and then by my further
suggesting you take it to be repaired seeing it is always difficult to diagnose someone's illness on a cordless phone.

good luck with your camera !

John Galt · Mar 21, 2018

The more I think about it the more I am inclined to think that it is a processing issue. Maybe my darkroom has a light leak I did not notice . . . I do have an infra red heater going in the next room . . . will IR fog film like that? It was 3 rolls of FP4+ in d-76 @ 22C and approx 11 minutes

This is my plan . . . I will develop an unexposed roll of FP4+ from the same lot under the same conditions to eliminate the camera and magazine from the process. I will do that this AM post the results later.

"That state of the art light table fooled me." shutterfinger, glad you like it . . . my darkroom doubles as the bathroom LOL!

glbeas · Mar 21, 2018

Were you using an alkline fix with a water rinse as a stop? I have seen problems like this with a water rinse opening the tank after putting the fixer in to see the progress. The alkalie fix doesnt stop the developer from working while removing unexposed silver so you get fogging. That might explain the two tone layers of fog density, the darkest the outside wrap on the reel, the lighter the second wrap. Beyond that enough density to protect the next wrap down.

glbeas · Mar 21, 2018

Another very remote possibility, did you just get the tank? I’ve see rare instances where a manufacturer made a supposedly light tight structure out of black plastic but the black was a dye instead of a pigment and would let light penetrate.

John Galt · Mar 21, 2018

glbeas said:
Were you using an alkline fix with a water rinse as a stop? I have seen problems like this with a water rinse opening the tank after putting the fixer in to see the progress. The alkalie fix doesnt stop the developer from working while removing unexposed silver so you get fogging. That might explain the two tone layers of fog density, the darkest the outside wrap on the reel, the lighter the second wrap. Beyond that enough density to protect the next wrap down.

Interesting hypothesis . . the fixer is Kodak which was mixed stock from last July, in a brown plastic jug, and stored in a closet . . maybe its old enough to cause problems. Never thought that it might be too old.

ETA . . I never open the tank until the fix (5 min) is done and ready for final wash.

John Galt · Mar 21, 2018

glbeas said:
Another very remote possibility, did you just get the tank? I’ve see rare instances where a manufacturer made a supposedly light tight structure out of black plastic but the black was a dye instead of a pigment and would let light penetrate.

I got the tank used last year and have done 30-40 rolls with no issues up till now . . :/

glbeas · Mar 21, 2018

Then it would have to be happening while the film was being loaded on the reels wouldn’t it? Is the infrared heater visible in the dark or have running lights of any kind? It might need to be shut down while handling film. I have one in my darkroom but I have the one indicator lamp covered with electrical tape and have no problems with it. When is the last time you shut off the lights and just sat in the darkroom while your eyes dark adjusted for fifteen minutes? I’ve found all sorts of problems doing that simple step. Good luck and hope you fix this, film is too precious to waste like this.

bdial · Mar 21, 2018

The IR from the heater wouldn't fog the film, but visible light from it could, assuming it has some direct or perhaps a reflected path to where you were working with the film.
You mentioned 4 rolls with fogging, I think, do they all have similar patterns? Is there any chance your tank has a crack somewhere?

choiliefan · Mar 21, 2018

Shoot another roll and develop...

John Galt · Mar 21, 2018

Well I just developed an unexposed roll, same thing. . . .

Edited to add . .

I just figured it out. When I took the film off the spool, it was the inner windings that were over exposed . . then it hit me, I forgot to put the center piece in the tank . . . 4 times!

D'Oh!

That's what I get for taking 10 months off of processing . . . won't make THAT mistake again. What a dope.

Thanks everyone for your community head scratching LOL!

Edited to add, again: And someone above actually ~asked~ me if I remembered to put the center piece in the tank . . . I'm only 64 . . . too soon for senility!!! Oh Lordy . . . I'm having a good time laughing at myself . . :/

BrianShaw · Mar 21, 2018

Maybe you should update the thread title now that you are more certain that it is a problem with your negs but not necessarily a problem with the Hasselblad.

wjlapier · Mar 21, 2018

It was a good read and some interesting detective work. Glad you figured it out.

John Galt said:
Well I just developed an unexposed roll, same thing. . . .

Edited to add . .

I just figured it out. When I took the film off the spool, it was the inner windings that were over exposed . . then it hit me, I forgot to put the center piece in the tank . . . 4 times!

D'Oh!

That's what I get for taking 10 months off of processing . . . won't make THAT mistake again. What a dope.

Thanks everyone for your community head scratching LOL!

Edited to add, again: And someone above actually ~asked~ me if I remembered to put the center piece in the tank . . . I'm only 64 . . . too soon for senility!!! Oh Lordy . . . I'm having a good time laughing at myself . . :/

choiliefan · Mar 21, 2018

That's probably what Dagny Taggart would have suggested.

John Galt · Mar 21, 2018

warden · Mar 21, 2018

John Galt said:
Well I just developed an unexposed roll, same thing. . . .

Edited to add . .

I just figured it out. When I took the film off the spool, it was the inner windings that were over exposed . . then it hit me, I forgot to put the center piece in the tank . . . 4 times!

D'Oh!

That's what I get for taking 10 months off of processing . . . won't make THAT mistake again. What a dope.

Thanks everyone for your community head scratching LOL!

Edited to add, again: And someone above actually ~asked~ me if I remembered to put the center piece in the tank . . . I'm only 64 . . . too soon for senility!!! Oh Lordy . . . I'm having a good time laughing at myself . . :/

Man that sucks, but I'm glad to hear you figured it out with advice and a roll of film. That was a good puzzle. I've done similar forehead slapping after a long gap in C-41 processing and poorly labeled bottles, reversing the proper order of solutions and ruining a vacation roll. Live and learn.

glbeas · Mar 21, 2018

John Galt said:
Well I just developed an unexposed roll, same thing. . . .

Edited to add . .

I just figured it out. When I took the film off the spool, it was the inner windings that were over exposed . . then it hit me, I forgot to put the center piece in the tank . . . 4 times!

D'Oh!

That's what I get for taking 10 months off of processing . . . won't make THAT mistake again. What a dope.

Thanks everyone for your community head scratching LOL!

Edited to add, again: And someone above actually ~asked~ me if I remembered to put the center piece in the tank . . . I'm only 64 . . . too soon for senility!!! Oh Lordy . . . I'm having a good time laughing at myself . . :/

But not too old for CRS (cant remember shit)

shutterfinger · Mar 21, 2018

John Galt said:
my darkroom doubles as the bathroom LOL!

My kitchen sink doubles as mine plus a Photoflex changing bag.

John Galt said:
the fixer is Kodak which was mixed stock from last July

It totally depends on how many rolls of film you've processed in it but I would mix fresh after 18 months.

John Galt said:
I'm only 64

The glitches are just starting, I constantly sit my shoulder separator down and forget where I put it. (66)

Sirius Glass · Mar 21, 2018

My master bathroom is where I develop prints in trays. I run the Jobo processor next to the kitchen sink.

BrianShaw · Mar 21, 2018

Catchy re-titlement!!!!!

MattKing · Mar 21, 2018

Now you should do us all a service and start a new thread which shows everyone what the result is when you leave the centre post out of the tank.
It could be a "Resource".

Theo Sulphate · Mar 21, 2018

What I don't understand is the orientation of the dark band. Consider: the reel is in the tank with film coiled in a horizontal direction. That is, from one frame to the next they are in a horizontal spiral. Yet the dark band mid-frame is vertical across the frame. If light is coming through the center of the tank, I can see how the frames in the inner spiral are exposed more to light, but what causes the vertical band?

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