Washing BW film after processing

[MattKing]

Can negs be re-fixed and washed if they exhibit signs of deterioration or are they beyond it?

In the relatively short term, yes.
But after you see signs of deterioration, there has been at least some permanent damage.
Re-washing at least may help arrest further deterioration though.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I'm in the process of converting a tiny basement bathroom to a darkroom - a process which, thanks to industrial grade procrastination has taken years - and one of the remaining tasks is to remove the toilet. Perhaps I should reconsider!

Except as men get older, often they need to urinate more often. Keep the toilet. Later you will be glad you did.

 

[TMZ]

Hi all,

I've been trying to track down Greg Davis post from 2010 and have managed to come here and trying the links posted I get an error message.
It was a very detailed post about film washing and would love to see it again, if it still exists...anyone have a link?

Thanks

 

[grat]

It appears that Greg deleted his account and his posts after a discussion of his film comparisons degenerated into a series of unwarranted personal attacks.

 

[George Collier]

I don't see much reference to what kind of fixer here. If I am using T5 fixer from Formulary, would the wash time/water exchange be less than with something like EK rapid fix?

 

[pentaxuser]

Greg Davis' thread on film-washing tests tells the tale superbly. I suggest reading it if you haven't: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/film-washing-test.69416/ You can use the data here to determine a method and wash time that works for you if you don't want to test yourself.

It appears that Greg deleted his account and his posts after a discussion of his film comparisons degenerated into a series of unwarranted personal attacks.

Would sort of summarise the kind of happening that is currently being spoken of when we lament or not as the case maybe the demise of David Lyga.

Based on a mound of evidence I fear we are doomed to continue to repeat this pattern forever

pentaxuser

 

[radiant]

The Gregs post and some comments are still in archive.org:

https://web.archive.org/web/2021051...io.com/forum/threads/film-washing-test.69416/

 

[tezzasmall]

And his youtube bits are still there:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUcaft-3hNIuB1L1IgARPoQ

It's a terrible thing when people are hounded off of sites like this. It shouldn't be them leaving!!!

Terry S

 

[bluechromis]

I don't see much reference to what kind of fixer here. If I am using T5 fixer from Formulary, would the wash time/water exchange be less than with something like EK rapid fix?

According to Anchell Troop of "The Film Development Cookbook", the PE, and other authoritative sources I have seen, using a neutral or alkaline fixer like T5 would require less washing than an acid fix like EK rapid fix or Ilford fixers. An HPA bath is not required with alkaline fixers, but, if used, would reduce washing time further still. Anchell and Troop also list a number of other advantages of alkaline fixers over acid fixers.

 

[Mainecoonmaniac]

And his youtube bits are still there:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUcaft-3hNIuB1L1IgARPoQ

It's a terrible thing when people are hounded off of sites like this. It shouldn't be them leaving!!!

Terry S

I agree. I watch Gregory Davis on YouTube and I've learned a lot. They way I post on line is to be positive or keep it offline. With this pandemic, being kind goes a long way. It's Phototrio's loss. I've been trolled a couple of times here and I just ignore them. A lot of trolls want attention so I don't underestimate the power of silence.

 

[Kino]

According to Anchell Troop of "The Film Development Cookbook", the PE, and other authoritative sources I have seen, using a neutral or alkaline fixer like T5 would require less washing than an acid fix like EK rapid fix or Ilford fixers. An HPA bath is not required with alkaline fixers, but, if used, would reduce washing time further still. Anchell and Troop also list a number of other advantages of alkaline fixers over acid fixers.

I have started using Eco Pro Ascorbic Acid developer with a water stop and T5 fixer and much shorter wash times. Works well so far. Time will tell...

 

[cliveh]

I am amazed reading this thread, as I always wash black & white film in continuous running water for 30 minutes.

 

[Kino]

With no acid stop and T5 fixer, I do no more than 5 minutes.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I am amazed reading this thread, as I always wash black & white film in continuous running water for 30 minutes.

Yes, but you do not live in an area that has had a drought for over seven years and a serious water shortage. We could just send all our film and prints to you so that you can wash them for us.

 

[Mainecoonmaniac]

I am amazed reading this thread, as I always wash black & white film in continuous running water for 30 minutes.

This brings up a question. I've read with BW prints, slight amount of residual fixer helps with the permanence. If you wash film for long time and remove all the fixer does that compromise permanence also?

 

[MattKing]

This brings up a question. I've read with BW prints, slight amount of residual fixer helps with the permanence. If you wash film for long time and remove all the fixer does that compromise permanence also?

Long time washing will merely reduce the residue, not eliminate it.

 

[grat]

Yes, but you do not live in an area that has had a drought for over seven years and a serious water shortage. We could just send all our film and prints to you so that you can wash them for us.

The pictures of Lake Mead are terrifying-- well, as a photographic study, it's amazing, but the implications are terrifying.