warm tone paper developer

unregistered · May 11, 2006

Looking to replace Agfa's Nutol WA now that my stock is gone.

Any good reccomendations? Prefer liquid.

Thanks

Lachlan Young · May 11, 2006

Alexis Neel said:
Looking to replace Agfa's Nutol WA now that my stock is gone.

Any good reccomendations? Prefer liquid.

Thanks

ID-78 is remarkably similar but you would have to mix it yourself.
You could also try the new Harman Warmtone developer from Ilford - both of these seem to have been recommended highly by those who have used them. The Ilford comes only in 1 litre packagings however.

Hope this helps,

Lachlan

SuzanneR · May 11, 2006

I've been pretty happy with Edwal Platinum II... especially with Forte PWT. It also worked well with Ilford WT. I didn't get that greenish cast as I was getting with Ethol LPD and the Ilford. I've also been told that Zonal-Pro Warmtone is good, and I'd like to try it as well as I can't always find the Edwal.

JLP · May 11, 2006

ZonalPro Warmtone also goes well with Forte Fortezo and Kentmere Kentona.

jan

unregistered · May 11, 2006

Thanks for the replys. I've used the Zonal Pro but wasn't happy with it. One thing about Nutol was that it would last for days...not that I always need that but it was good it did. I'll try the Ilford to see what its like. I prefer liquid for warm tone dev. since I don't use it all the time. I use the Zone VI paper dev. mostly.

Thanks again

Tom Hoskinson · May 11, 2006

Alexis Neel said:
Thanks for the replys. I've used the Zonal Pro but wasn't happy with it. One thing about Nutol was that it would last for days...not that I always need that but it was good it did. I'll try the Ilford to see what its like. I prefer liquid for warm tone dev. since I don't use it all the time. I use the Zone VI paper dev. mostly.

Thanks again

Since you liked the results you were getting with Neutol WA,

I strongly second Lachlan's recommendation for Ilford - ID 78

Its easy and inexpensive to mix it yourself, it works great, and it has a long working life.

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david b · May 11, 2006

How about Ilford's new Warm Tone developer?

tony lockerbie · May 12, 2006

One of the best W/T developers is the old Ansco 130 formula which is Glycin based. Bit expensive to mix though with the cost of Glycin these days. Ilfords new Warm Tone sounds good, can't wait to try some.

Rob Archer · May 12, 2006

I use Fotospeed WT10 (although I don't know if it's available outside the UK). The warmth varies with dilution - the more dilute, the warmer it gets. I can still get full blacks on Ilford WTFB and Fotospeed Legacy) at 1+29, but after that it gets a bit 'soft'.

Rob

unregistered · May 12, 2006

I haven't tried Ilfords version yet...its somethingI do want to try though. Ansco is a great dev. but am looking for liquid for conveinence. Wil check on Fotospeed availability also.

Thanks

dancqu · May 12, 2006

Tom Hoskinson said:
Since you liked the results you were getting with Neutol WA,
I strongly second Lachlan's recommendation for Ilford - ID 78.
Its easy and inexpensive to mix it yourself, it works great, and
it has a long working life.

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And what is the difference twixt the 62 and 78? The
amount of bromide. Simple as that; 2 vs 4.5 grams.
A usual recommendation; add bromide for warmth.
Conversely, BZT to chill.

Mix up the 62 minus all bromide. Some papers don't
need any and without take shorter exposures and develop
faster. Then tone to one's taste by addition from a bottle of
bromide or BZT. I've now a bottle of 2% bromide from which
I draw. No BZT though. Dan

Arthur A · Jun 3, 2006

Alexis,

Not sure if you are based in the UK but I just bought some Neutol WA at Silverprint near Waterloo. Not 100% sure but aren't Gavert the chemistry manufactuing arm of the now defunct Agfa Photo continuing to manufacture Neutol WA ?

unregistered · Jun 3, 2006

Arthur,

I'm in the states now, although I was in Paris for 3 years recently. You might be right about Gavert...I just haven't seen anyone selling it here. Maybe I need to check other places.

donbga · Jun 3, 2006

Alexis Neel said:
Arthur,

I'm in the states now, although I was in Paris for 3 years recently. You might be right about Gavert...I just haven't seen anyone selling it here. Maybe I need to check other places.

Alex,

You may wabt to try the Camera Barn in Duluth. They may have some Agfa products.

unregistered · Jun 3, 2006

Thanks Don.

Alexis

lee · Jun 3, 2006

Alexis,

if you mix you might consider this receipe

his is a modified formula for Defender 55-D Portrait.

To make 4 liters stock solution:

Water (125f) 2 liters
Metol 10 grams
Sodium Sulfilte Anhy 150 grams
Potassium Carbinate Anhy 200 grams
Potassium Bromide 100 grams*
Water to make 4 liters

*The liberal use of Ptassium bromide is encourged, even in excess of the formula.

Dilute 1 part stock, 2 parts water. Adjust exposure to produce desired print density when developed for 2 minutes at 68F. Stock formula produces warm blacks without a noticeable "brown" look.

The formula is based on the Defender 55-D Portait developer and 'fiddled' with to produce maximum warm tones with the Ilford WT fiber paper.

I have used this formula for several years now and it does not produce the Dektol green look on the Ilfrod WT paper.

enjoy,

lee\c

Sal Santamaura · Jun 3, 2006

Arthur A said:
Not sure if you are based in the UK but I just bought some Neutol WA at Silverprint near Waterloo.

Since Silverprint's Web site indicates those chemicals are manufactured by A&O, which picked up manufacturing from Agfaphoto, it would be very interesting if you could tell us exactly what the label says on your Neutol WA. Thanks in advance.

FrankB · Jun 3, 2006

Another vote for the new Ilford / Harman Warmtone soup. Works quite slowly but a really nice result.

unregistered · Jun 3, 2006

Thanks Lee. Will try.

blansky · Jun 3, 2006

I use LPD.

Michael

unregistered · Jun 3, 2006

blansky said:
I use LPD.

Michael

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Petzi · Jun 29, 2006

Neutol liquid WA is available.

terri · Jun 29, 2006

Alexis Neel said:
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww

Was your greenish cast really that bad, then? I've used LPD 1:4 on Ilford MGWT, and haven't experienced anything like that. It would be a turn off, I agree!

Sportera · Jun 29, 2006

I use Edwal Platinum II w/ Ilford WtFB and Forte PW papers, I love this developer. Diluted 1:40. Great tones and detail.

Rolleijoe · Jun 29, 2006

Alexis Neel said:
Arthur,

I'm in the states now, although I was in Paris for 3 years recently. You might be right about Gavert...I just haven't seen anyone selling it here. Maybe I need to check other places.

Alexis,

I'm fairly sure Freestyle is selling Neutol, as they've picked up the other Agfa chems out there. Might want to give them a look-see.

Will be shipping back chems, papers, films from Germany later this year.

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