Warm Papers?

waynecrider

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Does anyone have any suggestions for warm papers in any surface? Basically looking for an old timey look.
 

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Ilford warm-tone fiber base. Ilford Art 300 paper has an old time surface and is also warm-tone.

Use either in conjunction with a warm tone developer. Dilute the developer for best results, some have luck with Dektol/D72 1:3. Ansco 130 (either DIY or from Photogarphers Formulary) is a popular choice.

Warm tone developers on cold tone papers do much of nothing, but do seem to work with warm tone papers.

I have had bad results with selenium toning warm-tone paper/developer combinations; might be just me.
 

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The "old-timey" look isn't going to come from simply switching to a warm tone paper; those are pretty subtle.

What you may want to explore is variable sepia toning. It requires four chemicals (two are combined to bleach the image, two more are mixed in varying quantities to control the tone of the toner, from yellow-ish to brown to red-brown).

There's a huge amount of control available - how deeply you bleach the image, and how you mix the variable chemicals, if you use selenium, how hard you hit it with selenium, and if you use selenium before or after bleaching/toning. (And the yellow range can be a little weak in the highlights and may require more exposure in the initial print).

For my uses, one of the best things about warmtone paper is how it responds to gold toner, when you want a markedly "cool" image. IMO it looks much nicer than iron blue toner.

 

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I have found that Ilford Warm tone FB paper in ID-78 (Ilford's warm tone developer from the old days) to be barely warm at all. I like it, but for old time effects, I agree that sepia is a good way to go.
 

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Fomatone Classic is THE best of the warmtone papers. It very closely emulates Agfa's Portriga Rapid. It selenium tones to a beautiful warm brown color.
I found that the Bergger Warmtone and Ilford Warmtone were barely warm in color at all. Very subtle warmth compared to Fomatone Classic.
 

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I tried Fomaton MG Classic 131 aand while it's a nice paper overall I prefer Ilford Warmtone, both processed in ID-78. In the resource section on this website or on my own website I've included a more concentrated version.which is used 1+9, it's very similar to Agfa Neutol WA. HArman Warmtone developer was derived from ID-78 which was once sold in powder form.

A PQ warm tone developer usinhgPhenidone or Dimezone will give much warmer tones than an MQ (Metol) equivalent. It's important to remember taht over development decreases warmth, so eithe keep development times short or increase dilution to slow down development, also if the developer is used too cold that decreases warmth.

Ian
 

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A fine way to achieve "warm paper" is a tray warmer you place the paper on. Though the effect will keep not for long once the paper is taken off the tray warmer.
 

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My standard is Ilford WT semi-matte (glossy for contacts), but I have recently tried Fomatone Classic. The 132 surface is a semi-glass, although Foma calls it matte. In EcoPro developer, I am unable to achieve contrast above a reluctant Gr. 4 in the Fomatone. The tone before toning is certainly warmer than Ilford, though the brown has a hint of green. It tones nicely in selenium, but very quickly. I found that diluting the toner 1:80 (!) is needed to have reasonable timing control, i.e., over 3-4 minutes rather than 1-2. Ilford tones slowly and not quite as evenly; the Fomatone is better at toning in the high values with a dilute toner. Fomatone is a slower emulsion than the Ilford, which is about half the speed of Ilford Classic.
 

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M Carter said:
What you may want to explore is variable sepia toning.
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Yeah, I agree. And to offer a mirror experience of your gold-toned print (which is gorgeous!): I find that neutral tone papers give the most pleasing tones when sepia toning is used; more so than warm tone papers...

However, a distinctly warm tone paper can give very nice chocolate browns when toned in selenium. It helps if the paper is distinctly warmt to begin with; Fomatone has been mentioned, and for RC I've had good luck with Rollei Vintage 311 which happens to look gorgeous when toned in selenium (haven't tried their fiber option yet).
 
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