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Hi all,
I'll be visiting Kyoto and Osaka between august 9 and august 15. It will be my first time in Japan. I'm thinking it would be nice to meet up with any local APUG members while there. I'm from France but can speak english rather fluently. I'll bring my Rolleiflex (3.5 E1), Rollei 35 SE, XA, and Pen F. Meeting up for a drink, lunch or photo walk would be great. Then from august 16 til august 20, I'll be in Hong Kong, if anyone there would like to meet up too. Thanks!
 

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Hi Lionel,

When you are in Hong Kong be sure to Hong Kong International Photo Festival. You can find more information on their Facebook page - HKIPF.
 

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Hi Lionel,

Would love to meet up with you (I'd bring my Rolleiflex too) but unfortunately I'll be in Europe when you are here. It would be nice to practice my rusty French too (I lived in Nancy for a couple of years but have barely spoken any French since then). Ah well, bad timing.

Kyoto will be overrun with tourists (esp. all the major sites like Arashiyama, Kinkakuji, Kiyomizudera, Fushimi Inari Shrine, etc.) but it is possible to avoid them (or see less of them) if you go really early in the morning, or in the late afternoon/evening (depending on the site), and of course, visit lesser known, but equally interesting sites and neighbourhoods. Let me know if you have any questions.
 
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Hi Rachelle,

Too bad indeed we won't be able to meet up. I've read some of your posts regarding Kyoto and know you have been living there for a while now. It would have been delightful to meet you and your Rolleiflex. I've visited Nancy a couple of times, don't you love the "Place Stanislas" ? Which part of Europe are you going to? If you ever want to visit the Auvergne region in France with its extinct volcanos, I'd be glad to show you around a bit. Thanks for your help anyway. I'll see if I have any particular question. Enjoy your european trip.
 

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Hey Lionel,

I'll be in Estonia, Russia, Finland (for a conference), and Sweden (in that order) for 3.5 weeks. While I've always been interested in visiting these countries, they've never been high priority for me, as there have been so many other places I have wanted to visit. That said, I'm looking forward to photographing them as I don't really have any photographic expectations (except maybe for Russia) when I'm there.

I love Nancy - I used to live about 200m from Place Stan and could see the fireworks they would have there sometimes from my apartment. I also enjoyed the fact that although there was a World Heritage Site just a block or two from my apartment, that it really wasn't a tourist city (unlike Strasbourg, for example). I really miss it. I hope the next time I make it to France I can go back there for a visit. I did see from your website that you are from the Auvergne region, which is one of many I never got to visit while in France (I was a very poorly paid teacher at the time). I'll definitely let you know if I make it out there sometime.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy your time in Japan!
 
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I'm planning to visit Kyoto (& Osaka) in October, any tips in particular? I've been to Kyoto once before but only for a day, we only saw Fushimi Inari Shrine before heading back to Osaka (a friend of mine lives there). This time it might be a day or two.
 

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I visited Kyoto last April, following more or less Rachelle's advices. If you have just one or two days, I wouldn't miss Daitokuji Temple ( http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e3910.html ). You must be there early in the morning, to enjoy it alone. It is a complex of several temples, each one more interesting than the other. Another one to visit is Ginkakuji ( http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e3907.html ) (the Silver Pavillion, not to be confused with Kinkakuji, the Golden one). A place for dinner: in Gion, Ramen Muraji (https://ramen-muraji.jp/en/ ), limited menu but wonderful and at very, very reasonable price.
 
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I visited Kyoto last April, following more or less Rachelle's advices. If you have just one or two days, I wouldn't miss Daitokuji Temple ( http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e3910.html ). You must be there early in the morning, to enjoy it alone. It is a complex of several temples, each one more interesting than the other. Another one to visit is Ginkakuji ( http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e3907.html ) (the Silver Pavillion, not to be confused with Kinkakuji, the Golden one). A place for dinner: in Gion, Ramen Muraji (https://ramen-muraji.jp/en/ ), limited menu but wonderful and at very, very reasonable price.

Thank you, goros!
 

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I visited Kyoto last April, following more or less Rachelle's advices. If you have just one or two days, I wouldn't miss Daitokuji Temple ( http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e3910.html ). You must be there early in the morning, to enjoy it alone. It is a complex of several temples, each one more interesting than the other. Another one to visit is Ginkakuji ( http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e3907.html ) (the Silver Pavillion, not to be confused with Kinkakuji, the Golden one). A place for dinner: in Gion, Ramen Muraji (https://ramen-muraji.jp/en/ ), limited menu but wonderful and at very, very reasonable price.

+1000 to this suggestion. I've been to Kyoto 3 times and agree with Rachelle as well, skip (if you can) the major tourist temples as they are overrun with loud, noisy tourists and are (in my view) profoundly disappointing places to visit. I hit most of them my first time in Kyoto and thought the whole trip was a waste of time. However, something stuck with me and I returned 2 more times, this time focusing on the lesser known temples. This *massively* increased my enjoyment of the city and I will still go back for a 4th trip and more whenever I can.

Daitoku-ji was the last temple I visited on my final day last trip and I am SOOOO glad that I went. That place is utterly serene! It was devoid of 99% of the tourists there and was utterly quiet. The sad fact however is that many (most!) of the temples there are off limits, closed to the public. I was supremely lucky in that the day I went there was during a rare season when 5-6 sub temples were opened to the public for the first time in years. The gardens there were so very beautiful that they took my breath away. It was painful to leave. Sadly, no photos were allowed in the garden!

Regarding the touristy temples, I would try to hit Ryon-ji (early in the morning) as well as Toji. Those were not bad. The golden pavilion makes a great photo, but other than that was a waste of time to me.

Manpuku-ji temple is just a short train ride out of Kyoto and is stunning in its beauty. It was virtually empty when I was there and I had such enormous peace photographing it. The only Chinese style temple in Japan!

So many options in Kyoto if you go off the beaten path!
 

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There's a special place called Kibune outside of Kyoto, approximately 2 hours travel or so, you need to change services a few times, but it is well worth it.

One of the trains is also a 'view train', large glass viewing panels to look out of, as the train ride is extremely scenic. There's a mountain/hill hike up to a temple and back down to the other side to the town. The town is situated on a water in a gorge basically along 1 single street essentially.

Restaurants are actually on the water fall and open facing it on tatami mats (these are very expensive to eat at, there's cafes literally next door not on the waterfall on otherside of road that are not expensive). It is a rather special place all round. There is a travel guide here, doesn't really do it justice http://wikitravel.org/en/Kurama


Here's what the street looks like, this is about summer time. Autumn time it'd be all red.


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Unfinished restaurant

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Also Inari Fushimi Taisha is right next to a city station, and may be 'over done' but it is a great visit, and is open all night so you can do night photos in there. It's a touristy temple worth visiting, it's free and extremely accessible, and it looks fantastic. There is not many people there at night in summer (at least late night, I got the last train back).


Nara is nearby and is worth a half day trip (about 40 min from Kyoto iirc) if you'd like to take some photos of the tame deer in town right up close (they'll eat out of your hand). If you're patient you can edge closer to the baby deer within a few metres without making them run off.

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There's another special place called Takeda castle (castle ruins). Most people will climb/hike the mountain up to Takeda itself, which I did and was a mistake. I realised afterwards, that ideally, you should hike an adjacent mountain to get a nice view of Takeda. If you're lucky there'll be clouds, which sit just below the castle ruins and make it look like it's floating in the clouds.

It is west from Osaka on the Shinkansen, and Himeji castle is about half way, which can be done in the same day.



I'm going back to Japan on a working holiday visa, but I wont be back there until September sadly.

If you ever have the chance to go to northern Japan, one of the most stunning temples I've been too is called Osorezan, it is near Hokkaido, it is in the Aomori prefecture, you have to get a train from Aomori to the end of the line around the coast line north and east to the peninsula, there is a bus a few times a day that goes right up to the temple ground.

It is rather stunning, stinks, but stunning. It is a strongly volcanic ground that looks like a barren wastle land, there is a lake which looks like a tropical beach at times. Apparently it is one of the three most sacred temples in Japans. Very ominous place. This place is known as the gateway to hell and for good reason. The temple itself is called Bodai-ji, wrong part of the country I know, but it goes overlooked.

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Make sure to go to Dotonbori to eat in Osaka, there's also Izakaya for about 1200 yen for unlimited drinks for 1 hour if you're into that. And I believe Kobe is nearby to Osaka if you want to try some of the highest (And most expensive) rated beef.
 
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Great suggestions from everyone above! I kind of wish I was a tourist again so I would feel more compelled to explore this city than I currently do (my 60-hour work weeks may have something to do with that though). The big sites are worth visiting at least once, however, because of the hype (and crowds) they can be a bit underwhelming. When I visit them I try to do something different (Holga, infrared, pinhole if possible) to keep the images a bit different. If you look at images of Kinkakuji you'll see they are all almost the same, because you can only really get that shot from one location. That said, I also like exploring areas in the evening or at night that remain open, yet often there is no one around, including well-known sites like Fushimi Inari, or the Keage Aqueduct/Nanzenji temple, but as others have mentioned, there are so many other options out there too. It's also possible to add activities to change things up a bit - for example, after visiting Ginkakuji (silver pavilion) you could hike up the mountain behind it (the one they use for the big bonfire on Aug 16) and get a nice view of Kyoto. Daigo-ji, a World Heritage temple not far from where I live is also free from crowds (it rarely shows up on maps because it's a little too far south, even though it's a five-minute walk from the subway station) also has a nice mountain hike you can do. Getting out of Kyoto is great too - Kurama, Kibune, Ohara are all lovely mountain villages worth visiting.

I don't go out to eat a lot, but one place I take all my visitors is Tiger Gyoza - their gyoza are amazing, and I haven't had a bad dish there yet. Try to go early to get a seat, or you may be waiting in line for a while.
 
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Thank you all for all these great advices and recommandations. Very much appreciated. Can't wait to discover all this and to try to capture some of it on film.
 

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Thank you all for all these great advices and recommandations. Very much appreciated. Can't wait to discover all this and to try to capture some of it on film.

It's very easy to buy film in Kyoto as well. Yodobashi, across from Kyoto station has virtually any film you could ever want. Shoot 160NS while you are there. Japan only!
 

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That reminds me I picked up 160ns in 120 in Kyoto down a small side street from some small shop run by two old ladies while I was there
 

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I've just returned from two weeks in Japan, including a few days in Osaka. If you're interested in second-hand cameras and lenses, I found this website to be very helpful for Osaka. I was only able to visit the Yaotomi Camera store on the B1 basement level of the JR Osaka station, near the Daimaru Umeda department store. They have a large selection of almost everything you can imagine. One of my only regrets was not buying a 10-roll brick of Fujifilm Industrial 400 film. If I recall correctly, it was about ¥3,400, or ~$3.40USD/roll. They also have bricks of Fujifilm Industrial 100, but I was able to buy that in Tokyo for ¥184 per roll at Kitamura Camera in Shinjuku.

If you enjoy street food, be sure to check out the Kuromon Market in Osaka. There are many tourists, but also bountiful gastronomic delights. If you enjoy whisky, there is a nice liquor store near Kuromon Market called Kawasaki-ya. I picked up a bottle of Hibiki 17 there for ~$115USD.
 
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I've just read through this thread again, many great tips! Thank you all! :smile: I'm leaving for Japan in a week, it will be fun.

Just a silly question - I'm more or less out of sheet film (4x5"), how common is it for Yodobashi or Bic to carry Acros in sheet?
 

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I've just read through this thread again, many great tips! Thank you all! :smile: I'm leaving for Japan in a week, it will be fun.

Just a silly question - I'm more or less out of sheet film (4x5"), how common is it for Yodobashi or Bic to carry Acros in sheet?

Well, it's in stock online at Yodobashi, and if I recall correctly they usually have a few boxes in-store as well. I'm speaking for the Kyoto branch, I'm not as familiar with the Osaka one. If they're out they can usually order for you, or you can order online and have it shipped to your hotel (usually in less than 24 hours). BIC camera, in general, has fewer options, but they may also have some in stock.
 

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I checked Yodobashi's website for you. It shows there is small stock of 4x5 Acros 100 film available both at the Osaka Umeda branch (near the main train station) and at the Kyoto branch.
 
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